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15:38:01 <Zakim> Meeting: AGWG Teleconference
15:38:01 <alastairc> agenda?
15:38:05 <alastairc> zakim, clear agenda
15:38:05 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:38:52 <alastairc> agenda+ Introductions and Annoucements
15:39:42 <alastairc> agenda+ WCAG 3 publication discussion https://w3c.github.io/wcag3/guidelines/
15:39:53 <alastairc> agenda+ Content Related Definitions (text, image, content, interactive component, etc.) https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/140
15:40:08 <alastairc> WCAG 2.2 review of updates https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-issues/2024Nov/0012.html
15:40:18 <alastairc> agenda+ WCAG 2.2 review of updates https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-issues/2024Nov/0012.html
15:40:20 <alastairc> agenda+ Sub-group working
15:40:22 <alastairc> agenda?
15:40:25 <alastairc> chair:alastairc
15:40:30 <alastairc> present: alastairc
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15:58:07 <Laura_Carlson> Scribe: Laura_Carlson
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16:02:43 <alastairc> zakim, take up item 1
16:02:43 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introductions and Annoucements -- taken up [from alastairc]
16:02:47 <Laura_Carlson> ac: welcome
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16:02:59 <Chuck> q+ to say an announcement
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16:03:15 <Laura_Carlson> ac: Any new members or change of affiliation ?
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16:03:18 <alastairc> ack Chuck
16:03:18 <Zakim> Chuck, you wanted to say an announcement
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16:04:26 <alastairc> zakim, take up next item
16:04:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- WCAG 3 publication discussion https://w3c.github.io/wcag3/guidelines/ -- taken up [from alastairc]
16:04:43 <Laura_Carlson> Chuck:  Today is International day of Persons with Disabilities day. Will be honoring it. You might consider it too.
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16:04:59 <Laura_Carlson> Ac: WCAG 3 publication discussion all +1s
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16:05:18 <alastairc> zakim, take up next item
16:05:18 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, alastairc
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16:05:32 <alastairc> zakim, take up item 3
16:05:32 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Content Related Definitions (text, image, content, interactive component, etc.) https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/140 -- taken up [from alastairc]
16:05:32 <Laura_Carlson> ... hope to publish soon.
16:05:34 <DF> present+
16:06:05 <Laura_Carlson> Ac: we introduced this last week. Will share screen.
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16:06:42 <Laura_Carlson> ... I put in some suggestions.
16:07:05 <Laura_Carlson> ... had a few comments.
16:07:25 <Laura_Carlson> ... user interface controls seemed to be a sub-set.
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16:07:59 <Laura_Carlson> ... General agreement with the definitions, one proposed tweak to "text".
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16:08:26 <Laura_Carlson> ... term "content" is wide.
16:09:24 <Laura_Carlson> ... wondering if we could use "user interface" and "user interface controls" as a subset.
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16:09:57 <Laura_Carlson> ... will leave this open. It is a current proposal. Think about it in our sub-groups.
16:10:04 <mbgower> q+
16:10:12 <alastairc> ack mbgower
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16:10:41 <Laura_Carlson> Mg: thinking through a phone tree. In a speech interaction.
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16:11:16 <Laura_Carlson> ... wondering if "user interface controls" works with that.
16:11:29 <wendyreid> q+
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16:11:35 <Laura_Carlson> Ac: think it works but we should test it.
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16:11:51 <Laura_Carlson> Wendy: think it does includes that.
16:12:21 <mbgower> Yep, "user interface" seems to work fine. I was more wondering about "user interface control"
16:12:22 <stevef> q+
16:12:41 <alastairc> ack Glenda
16:12:41 <Laura_Carlson> ... controls are promoted but it is broad enough to work.
16:13:05 <Laura_Carlson> Glenda: I agree with Wendy.
16:13:11 <alastairc> ack stevef
16:13:40 <Laura_Carlson> SF: why content and interactive content?
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16:15:05 <alastairc> ack Glenda
16:15:16 <Laura_Carlson> Lo: don't think we should list all types of content. Keeping things more general should help us.
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16:15:54 <Laura_Carlson> Glenda: where would links fall under this?
16:16:01 <mbgower> an input is a subset of "control"
16:16:32 <Laura_Carlson> Ac: a control is more general.
16:16:40 <alastairc> ack alastairc
16:17:02 <Laura_Carlson> Ac: don't need to define everything in advance.
16:17:21 <alastairc> ack GN
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16:18:00 <Laura_Carlson> GN: user interface definition may allow for action or action from the user.
16:18:05 <alastairc> q?
16:18:06 <Jon_avila> I agree - to add action to make it clear buttons would be covered under user interface.
16:18:30 <Laura_Carlson> Ac: discussion is still open.
16:18:52 <Laura_Carlson> ... have a look though this.
16:18:58 <alastairc> zakim, take up item 4
16:18:58 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- WCAG 2.2 review of updates https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-issues/2024Nov/0012.html -- taken up [from alastairc]
16:19:28 <Laura_Carlson> Ac: email is from mike.
16:19:42 <mbgower> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/56/views/1
16:20:15 <Laura_Carlson> ...   Update from target size min<https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2858#top>#2858
16:21:02 <Laura_Carlson> ... Task Force has identified a normative change for the Working Group.  Do we want to have an errata for this?
16:21:28 <mbgower> q+
16:21:34 <alastairc> ack mbgower
16:21:37 <Laura_Carlson> ... would be applied to future publication.
16:22:03 <Laura_Carlson> Mg: also marked as normative.
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16:22:30 <Laura_Carlson> ... will have to go to CFC.
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16:22:49 <alastairc> Poll: Should we update Target Size Enhanced (AAA) to align the inline-exception with Target Size Min (AA)?
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16:23:39 <mbgower> +1 at the moment, the requirement is looser for AAA, which doesn't make a lot of sense
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16:24:55 <alastairc> draft RESOLUTION: Approve PR 2858 to create an errata for Target Size Enhanced.
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16:25:40 <alastairc> RESOLUTION: Approve PR 2858 to create an errata for Target Size Enhanced.
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16:26:05 <Laura_Carlson> Ac: nothin else in the email was normative.
16:26:28 <Laura_Carlson> s/nothin/nothing/
16:27:53 <Laura_Carlson> Mg: a few where it seems it was intended as a note. It is a gray area.
16:28:26 <Laura_Carlson> ... alpha order is straight forward.
16:28:43 <alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/4122
16:29:01 <Laura_Carlson> ... you ave another week to review these.
16:29:23 <Laura_Carlson> s/. you ave /. you have /
16:30:11 <Laura_Carlson> Mg: link directly to new supplemental guidance is clearly not normative.
16:31:11 <alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/4128
16:31:38 <Laura_Carlson> Mg: Update F2.html some slight changes reducing the scope.
16:32:39 <Laura_Carlson> ... 2339 update. Slight rewording
16:33:34 <Laura_Carlson> ... 4102 some slight updates.
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16:33:59 <Laura_Carlson> ... and an add.
16:34:21 <alastairc> this one could do with some more review / thumbs up https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2150
16:34:38 <Laura_Carlson> ... need more review on 2150.
16:35:20 <alastairc> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/56/views/1
16:35:22 <Laura_Carlson> Mg: any questions?
16:35:30 <alastairc> q?
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16:36:20 <mbgower> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/wiki
16:36:32 <alastairc> zakim, take up item 5
16:36:32 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Sub-group working -- taken up [from alastairc]
16:36:42 <Laura_Carlson> LO: Friday TF has a good description of our process on our wiki. Join us on Fridays.
16:36:57 <mbgower> This page is probably the most important for the processes we follow https://github.com/w3c/wcag/wiki/WCAG-2-Task-Force-process
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