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14:54:12 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
14:54:16 <pchampin> meeting:  Linked Web Storage WG meeting
14:54:21 <pchampin> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20241202T100000/
14:54:32 <agendabot> pchampin, sorry, could not get https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20241202T100000/ (code 500).
14:54:48 <pchampin> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20241202T100000/#agenda
14:54:58 <agendabot> pchampin, sorry, could not get https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20241202T100000/#agenda (code 500).
14:55:15 <pchampin> agenda+ Introductions and announcements
14:55:25 <pchampin> agenda+ Meetings during the holiday season
14:55:43 <pchampin> agenda+ Pending Action Items 1 -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/153/views/1
14:55:58 <pchampin> agenda+ Separate repository for action items 2 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lws-wg/2024Nov/0007.html
14:56:18 <pchampin> PR review 3 -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/153/views/2
14:56:40 <pchampin> s|PR review 3 -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/153/views/2|
14:56:43 <pchampin> agenda+ PR review 3 -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/153/views/2
14:56:48 <pchampin> agenda?
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15:02:18 <uvdsl> present+
15:02:25 <acoburn> present+
15:02:33 <AZ> present+
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15:03:59 <AZ> where is the scribe rotation list?
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15:04:45 <hadrian> present+
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15:04:48 <acoburn> Scribe rotation list: https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/wiki/Scribe-list
15:05:02 <pchampin> scribe+ uvdsl
15:05:04 <csarven> present+
15:05:10 <kaefer3000> present+
15:05:30 <uvdsl> Laurens: Lets get started.
15:05:35 <pchampin> zakim, open item 1
15:05:35 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introductions and announcements -- taken up [from pchampin]
15:05:37 <uvdsl> Laurens: Introductions
15:05:41 <acoburn> chair: laurens
15:05:42 <balessan> present+
15:05:49 <uvdsl> Laurens: Any newcomers?
15:05:55 <acoburn> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:05:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/02-lws-minutes.html acoburn
15:06:03 <csarven> Spilled a tonne of tea on my laptop keyboard. Grumpy with a hair dryer
15:06:03 <uvdsl> ...
15:06:30 <uvdsl> Laurens: One point of interest: Work on use cases
15:06:39 <uvdsl> Laurens: Two points:
15:06:58 <uvdsl> Laurens: We want people to engage in async discussions in the Github issues.
15:07:16 <uvdsl> Laurens: We only have limited time in the meeting, so get involved.
15:07:53 <uvdsl> Laurens: Any comments?
15:07:53 <uvdsl> My suggestion: Time box 15 min in each meeting for now on, if there are discussions to have, if not move on. but reserve the time for it
15:08:06 <csarven> q+
15:08:42 <laurens> q?
15:08:53 <pchampin> s/My suggestion/... My suggestion
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15:10:02 <uvdsl> Sarven: Another point to PA's remark: Make sure to switch as to who is speaking
15:10:12 <laurens> ack csarven
15:10:37 <AZ> s/Sarven:/csarven:
15:11:02 <uvdsl> csarven: +1 to Lauren's suggestion, maybe also add that we may want to consider some time for the proposer to present the use case.
15:11:18 <uvdsl> csarven: Then there is more time to review and have question
15:11:37 <uvdsl> laurens: +1, lets ask hadrian how he wants to address this
15:11:46 <pchampin> q?
15:12:00 <uvdsl> laurens: This was an announcement from my side, any other?
15:12:05 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
15:12:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Meetings during the holiday season -- taken up [from pchampin]
15:12:21 <uvdsl> laurens: Holiday season is coming up
15:13:01 <uvdsl> ... people have days off, I think there is no overlap between our meetings between the years... however, how will we deal with the meetings on 23rd and the next one?
15:13:16 <uvdsl> pchampin: +1, these two might be problematic
15:13:43 <uvdsl> kaefer: what about the 6th of January, that might also be relevant to spanish-speaking countries...
15:13:44 <bumblefudge> i'm working the 6th
15:13:54 <AZ> can we do a strawpoll to ask who's available on these dates?
15:14:02 <laurens> q?
15:14:14 <uvdsl> laurens: we can do a straw poll
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15:14:26 <ryey> present+
15:14:39 <bumblefudge> present+
15:14:44 <uvdsl> laurens: pchampin is there a straw poll practicse at w3c?
15:14:58 <uvdsl> pchampin: just type it out
15:15:09 <uvdsl> ... and people comment
15:15:09 <laurens> STRAWPOLL: Should we keep the WG meeting on December 23th, 2024
15:15:22 <laurens> -1
15:15:24 <pchampin> -1
15:15:24 <kaefer3000> -1
15:15:26 <uvdsl> -1
15:15:27 <AZ> -0.5 (I'm not available)
15:15:27 <bumblefudge> +0
15:15:28 <eBremer> -1
15:15:31 <acoburn> -1
15:15:37 <ryey> -1
15:15:52 <laurens> s/23th/23rd
15:16:04 <laurens> STRAWPOLL: Should we keep the WG meeting on December 30th, 2024
15:16:12 <laurens> 0
15:16:17 <AZ> -0.5
15:16:20 <uvdsl> -1
15:16:22 <acoburn> -1
15:16:22 <kaefer3000> -1
15:16:23 <pchampin> -0.5
15:16:23 <balessan> -1
15:16:24 <eBremer> -1
15:16:31 <bumblefudge> -1
15:16:56 <uvdsl> laurens: I guess this means we will cancel these meetings, as most are in favor
15:17:08 <uvdsl> ... for good measure
15:17:11 <laurens> STRAWPOLL: Should we keep the WG meeting on January 6th, 2024
15:17:16 <AZ> +1
15:17:17 <balessan> +1
15:17:17 <pchampin> +1
15:17:18 <laurens> +1
15:17:18 <kaefer3000> -0,5
15:17:18 <uvdsl> 0
15:17:21 <acoburn> +1
15:17:23 <eBremer> +1
15:17:29 <ryey> 0
15:17:38 <bumblefudge> 0
15:17:41 <uvdsl> laurens: most of you in favour, so we keep that meeting.
15:18:01 <uvdsl> ... pchampin will you cancel the two meetings?
15:18:14 <pchampin> zakim, open next agendum
15:18:14 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Pending Action Items 1 -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/153/views/1 -- taken up [from pchampin]
15:18:16 <uvdsl> pchampin: yes
15:18:34 <uvdsl> laurens: let us check in, I do not see any open action items
15:18:48 <uvdsl> ... I do not think we had any remaining action items, let me double check
15:19:02 <uvdsl> ... I don't think so.
15:19:17 <pchampin> q?
15:19:25 <uvdsl> ... then I guess if there are no other action items from meeting participants, then I guess we can jump to the next agenda item
15:19:25 <pchampin> zakim, open next agendum
15:19:25 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Separate repository for action items 2 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lws-wg/2024Nov/0007.html -- taken up [from pchampin]
15:20:04 <uvdsl> laurens: brought up by csarven on the mailing list, based on the LWS protocol github repo, csarven can you elaborate?
15:20:10 <uvdsl> ack csarven
15:20:53 <hadrian> hadrian+
15:20:57 <uvdsl> csarven: I ll be brief  - it is just that the repo is mainly about the type of assets that we work on
15:21:08 <pchampin> s/hadrian+/present+ hadrian
15:21:28 <pchampin> q+
15:21:33 <uvdsl> ... perhaps we can track documents that we work on seperately
15:21:36 <csarven> present- BBL
15:21:39 <uvdsl> ... from the repo
15:22:06 <uvdsl> laurens: How do other WG address these kinds of work, how do they track that?
15:22:15 <uvdsl> ack pchampin
15:22:42 <uvdsl> pchampin: these action itmes / works were put there by bots I set up in the repo (?)
15:22:54 <uvdsl> ... RDF-star has a different repo for issues for actions
15:23:19 <uvdsl> ... one more repo just for the issues were not a problem there, but in our special case:
15:23:28 <uvdsl> ... is it really worth of the overhead?
15:23:56 <laurens> q+
15:24:06 <uvdsl> I agree with csarven that some of the issues are not related to the protocol, that being said, I would consider the LWS repo as the main repo of the WG, so it is ok to have the org issues there as well.
15:24:21 <uvdsl> s/I agree/... I agree
15:24:32 <uvdsl> ack laurens
15:24:32 <laurens> ack laurens
15:24:35 <pchampin> q?
15:24:55 <acoburn> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:24:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/02-lws-minutes.html acoburn
15:25:03 <uvdsl> laurens: I think it may not be useful to add yet another repot to the 2 existing
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15:25:21 <uvdsl> laurens: might be overkill, I do not have strong feelings about creating a new repo
15:25:23 <cpn> present+
15:25:34 <uvdsl> laurens: csarven just left
15:25:40 <hadrian> q+
15:25:48 <uvdsl> pchampin: does anyone else have strong opinion?
15:25:50 <uvdsl> ack hadrian
15:26:18 <uvdsl> hadrian: I agree depending how you look at it. If you saw my PR, I put the spec part in a different directory.
15:26:26 <uvdsl> ... we have to much to handle already
15:26:34 <uvdsl> laurens: anyone else?
15:26:37 <acoburn> s/to much/too much
15:27:01 <uvdsl> laurens: So, I dont think we change something in the way how we operate today
15:27:11 <uvdsl> ... I think we can come back to the issue in the future
15:27:17 <uvdsl> ... if the need arises
15:27:19 <pchampin> +1 to come back to it in the future if this creates confusion/issues
15:27:51 <hadrian> q+
15:27:58 <uvdsl> laurens: hadrian, we can jump back to how we present use cases and discuss them in the meetings
15:27:59 <pchampin> topic: setting up a recurring timebox slots about UCs
15:28:17 <uvdsl> laurens: re-iterating proposal
15:28:25 <uvdsl> ack hadrian
15:28:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/02-lws-minutes.html pchampin
15:28:48 <pchampin> s/setting up/Setting up
15:29:11 <uvdsl> hadrian: I like the idea of a time-box, but I would like most of the discussion to be asyn, then maybe in meeting have discussions, editors be prepared
15:29:12 <laurens> q+
15:29:29 <uvdsl> hadrian: to present and answer questions
15:29:42 <uvdsl> ... there are lots of use cases to be introduced
15:29:52 <pchampin> s/kaefer:/kaefer3000:
15:30:00 <uvdsl> ... I am not yet happy with the formatting
15:30:08 <acoburn> q+
15:30:14 <uvdsl> ack laurens
15:30:26 <uvdsl> laurens: that would be my proposal as well
15:30:38 <pchampin> q+
15:30:40 <bumblefudge> "discussion at next meeting" :D
15:30:43 <uvdsl> ... maybe introduce a tag in the repo, flagged for discussion
15:31:01 <uvdsl> s/... maybe/laurens: maybe
15:31:07 <uvdsl> laurens: can we set this up?
15:31:18 <bumblefudge> some w3c groups i've been in use a "next-meeting" tag on github and run the queue accordingly
15:31:21 <laurens> q?
15:31:25 <uvdsl> laurens: if we then do not see the tags, then we can move through the agenda
15:31:26 <laurens> ack acoburn
15:31:29 <uvdsl> ack acobrun
15:31:51 <uvdsl> acoburn: I agree. But this is also predicated on people in this group to comment and get engaged
15:32:07 <uvdsl> ... please review the use cases, leave comments / call to action!
15:32:08 <laurens> q?
15:32:14 <uvdsl> ack pchampin
15:32:39 <uvdsl> pchampin: Just to add: There is actually a practice in other groups, there is a tag in their repos set up
15:32:47 <uvdsl> ... discussion tag
15:32:59 <uvdsl> ... and we review a list of issues with this tag in the WG meeting
15:33:10 <uvdsl> ... the idea is to prio async / offline discussion
15:33:23 <uvdsl> ... if this gets too much, then we prompt online discussion with this tag
15:33:27 <laurens> q?
15:33:34 <uvdsl> pchampin: which seems to be efficient
15:34:08 <hadrian> q+
15:34:10 <uvdsl> laurens: Seconding the request of acoburn: Please get involved! And if we can set up a tag, that would be great, hadrian....
15:34:13 <uvdsl> ack hadrian
15:34:36 <uvdsl> hadrian: +1, I will create a "needs discussion" tag, and use it as necessary
15:34:51 <uvdsl> laurens: will create an action item
15:34:59 <laurens> ACTION: hadrian creates a needs-discussion tag in the https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs repo
15:35:07 <gb> I created -> issue #5 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/issues/5
15:35:07 <gb> but I could not add the "action" label.
15:35:07 <gb> That probably means I don't have push permission on w3c/lws-protocol.
15:35:09 <uvdsl> pchampin: hadrian, ping me and I will set up the appropriate view in the project
15:35:23 <pchampin> zakim, open next agendum
15:35:24 <uvdsl> laurens: Okay, then I guess we can close this agenda item
15:35:24 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- PR review 3 -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/153/views/2 -- taken up [from pchampin]
15:35:45 <uvdsl> laurens: there is a couple of open PRs
15:36:04 <uvdsl> laurens: there are some by pchampin?
15:36:42 <uvdsl> pchampin: first one is from me, this is a technical one: Making sure that everyting (issues and sorts) is added to the repo/dashboard (?)
15:36:49 <uvdsl> ... only needs approval
15:36:55 <pchampin> q?
15:36:55 <uvdsl> laurens: given approval just now
15:37:04 <uvdsl> ... the other one is by hadrian
15:37:13 <hadrian> q+
15:37:15 <uvdsl> ... I think these are just tehcnical
15:37:17 <laurens> https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs/pull/20
15:37:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs/pull/20 -> Pull Request 20 Prepare to publish first draft. ReSpec tooling and sample content (by hzbarcea)
15:37:21 <uvdsl> ack hadrian
15:37:25 <pchampin> s/tehcnical/technical
15:37:45 <uvdsl> hadrian: there is not much to discuss ... it is detailled enough. I am unsure when and how you want these PRs merged.
15:37:52 <pchampin> q+
15:37:56 <uvdsl> ... content is correct but looks ugly
15:38:03 <uvdsl> ack pchampin
15:38:05 <laurens> q?
15:38:25 <uvdsl> pchampin regarding the uglyness, should not prevent us from merging it.
15:39:09 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/115
15:39:10 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/115 -> Pull Request 115 add section about 'unstar' mapping (by pchampin)
15:39:10 <uvdsl> ... There is a service that needs to be activated which includes in each PR a link to a preview - maybe we do not need that actually ....
15:39:50 <uvdsl> pchampin: This is just for convenience / I propose to make the configuration, I can take an action for this
15:40:03 <uvdsl> ... and more to the point: I have not reviewed the PR, I am happy to have a look.
15:40:08 <laurens> ACTION: pchampin to configure Echidna for preview/diff on PRs in https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs
15:40:08 <gb> I created -> issue #6 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/issues/6
15:40:08 <gb> but I could not add the "action" label.
15:40:08 <gb> That probably means I don't have push permission on w3c/lws-protocol.
15:40:23 <uvdsl> pchampin: we can merge it. we do not need to wait for the improved css.
15:40:42 <uvdsl> hadrian: pchampin, once you approve, I merge it.
15:40:51 <uvdsl> ... lets get to the process where each PR needs to be approved
15:40:53 <pchampin> s/Echidna/PR-preview
15:40:55 <laurens> q?
15:41:01 <uvdsl> ... then you know someone looked at it
15:41:13 <uvdsl> laurens: I do not see anyone on the queue.
15:41:36 <uvdsl> laurens: I think this is the end of the regular agenda. Any other business?
15:41:43 <laurens> q?
15:41:55 <uvdsl> laurens: Then we can close early...
15:42:09 <uvdsl> ... thank you, and again: Submit your comments on the use cases!
15:42:14 <uvdsl> ... see you next week!
15:42:19 <uvdsl> ... goodbye!
15:42:20 <kaefer3000> bye
15:42:27 <hadrian> bye
15:42:27 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:42:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/02-lws-minutes.html pchampin
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16:03:55 <TallTed> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:03:55 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2024/12/02-lws-irc#T16-03-55
16:04:25 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:04:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/02-lws-minutes.html TallTed
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17:43:00 <TallTed> s/dont think/don't think/
17:45:00 <TallTed> s/Time box 15 min in each meeting for now on, if there are discussions to have, if not move on. but reserve the time for it/From now on, time box 15 min in each meeting for any necessary discussions; if none, move on.
17:45:00 <TallTed> s/Lauren's suggestion/Laurens' suggestion/
17:46:00 <TallTed> s/on 23rd and the next one/on 23rd and 30th/
17:46:00 <TallTed> s/6th of January, that/6th of January? that/
17:46:00 <TallTed> s/practicse/practice/
17:47:00 <TallTed> s/brief  - it/brief — it/
17:48:00 <TallTed> s/asyn, then/async, then/
17:50:00 <TallTed> s/there is a couple/there are a couple/
17:50:00 <TallTed> s/everyting/everything/