IRC log of forms on 2024-11-22
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- Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
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- Chair: Steven
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- Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/10/25-forms-minutes
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Nov/0000
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/22-forms-minutes.html Steven
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- Please send me the meet link (currently on another PC)
- 15:03:14 [Steven]
- https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq
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- Topic: ACTION: Steven write spec text for bind bindings to simpleContent
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- https://www.w3.org/2024/10/25-forms-minutes.html#01bf
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- Steven: Continues
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- Topic: ACTION: Steven to fix 'empty sequence' in calculate and initial.
- 15:04:46 [Steven]
- https://www.w3.org/2024/10/25-forms-minutes.html#d1cc
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- Steven: Done
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- Topic: ACTION: Steven to rewrite note at
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- implementation_Requirements_Common_to_All_Controls to make clear it's about
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- text and comment nodes etc.
- 15:05:01 [Steven]
- https://www.w3.org/2024/10/25-forms-minutes.html#8aa4
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- Steven: COntinues
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- s/CO/Co/
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- Topic: ACTION: Steven check the binding conditions for @initial, and make
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- the error treatment the same
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0015
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- Steven: Done
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- Topic: ACTION: Steven spec text for 'initial' MIP
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0012
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- Steven: I think this is finished, except for the <insert/> case.
- 15:06:10 [Steven]
- Topic: ACTION: Erik to report evaluating vars in model
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- https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html#6c49
- 15:06:32 [Steven]
- Topic: ACTION: Erik to report evaluating vars in model
- 15:06:32 [Steven]
- https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html#6c49
- 15:07:50 [Steven]
- Steven: So I understand that vars are evaluated in the body at a refresh amd in the model immediately before rebuild, recalculate, and refresh
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- ... you also say "there is no dependency system mandated"
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- Erik; The order is vars first and then binds
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- s/;/:/
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- Erik: The assumption is you evaluate in textual order.
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- Steven: So you have to write vars in the order of dependencies.
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- Erik: What is the alternative?
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- Steven: Well we do that for calculates
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- Erik: I don't think calculate orders on var references
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- ... we don't require it
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- ... I wonder if there are other types of dependencies.
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- ... it has the benefit of simplicity
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- ... if we use textual ordering.
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- Alain: Surely it is easier for users if vars are evaluated in dependency order, so it can be done in the same way for vars in the model. Not a problem for the implementor.
- 15:20:22 [Steven]
- ... everything is a node in XSLTForms
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- ... it is better if it is textually ordered.
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- Erik: I am fine if we define it to be done in textual order.
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- Steven: I propose adding a note asking for user feedback.
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- ACTION: Steven to add var evaluation to the model
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- Topic: AOB
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- Steven: Regrets for next week
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- Next meeting 6 December
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- Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/22-forms-minutes.html Steven
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