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14:58:05 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
14:58:05 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:58:05 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/10/25-forms-minutes
14:58:17 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Nov/0000
14:59:24 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/22-forms-minutes.html Steven
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15:02:55 <Alain> Please send me the meet link (currently on another PC)
15:03:14 <Steven> https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq
15:04:32 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven write spec text for bind bindings to simpleContent
15:04:32 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/25-forms-minutes.html#01bf
15:04:39 <Steven> Steven: Continues
15:04:46 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven to fix 'empty sequence' in calculate and initial.
15:04:46 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/25-forms-minutes.html#d1cc
15:04:50 <Steven> Steven: Done
15:05:01 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven to rewrite note at
15:05:01 <Steven> implementation_Requirements_Common_to_All_Controls to make clear it's about
15:05:01 <Steven> text and comment nodes etc.
15:05:01 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/25-forms-minutes.html#8aa4
15:05:07 <Steven> Steven: COntinues
15:05:12 <Steven> s/CO/Co/
15:05:22 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven  check the binding conditions for @initial, and make
15:05:22 <Steven> the error treatment the same
15:05:22 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0015
15:05:32 <Steven> Steven: Done
15:05:42 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven spec text for 'initial' MIP
15:05:42 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0012
15:05:58 <Steven> Steven: I think this is finished, except for the <insert/> case.
15:06:10 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Erik to report evaluating vars in model
15:06:10 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html#6c49
15:06:32 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Erik to report evaluating vars in model
15:06:32 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html#6c49
15:07:50 <Steven> Steven: So I understand that vars are evaluated in the body at a refresh amd in the model immediately before rebuild, recalculate, and refresh
15:08:53 <Steven> ... you also say "there is no dependency system mandated"
15:09:22 <Steven> Erik; The order is vars first and then binds
15:09:26 <Steven> s/;/:/
15:10:05 <Steven> Erik: The assumption is you evaluate in textual order.
15:10:51 <Steven> Steven: So you have to write vars in the order of dependencies.
15:12:32 <Steven>  Erik: What is the alternative?
15:12:48 <Steven> Steven: Well we do that for calculates
15:13:28 <Steven> Erik: I don't think calculate orders on var references
15:13:41 <Steven> ... we don't require it
15:13:56 <Steven> ... I wonder if there are other types of dependencies.
15:15:51 <Steven> ... it has the benefit of simplicity
15:16:05 <Steven> ... if we use textual ordering.
15:20:04 <Steven> Alain: Surely it is easier for users if vars are evaluated in dependency order, so it can be done in the same way for vars in the model. Not a problem for the implementor.
15:20:22 <Steven> ... everything is a node in XSLTForms
15:21:45 <Steven> ... it is better if it is textually ordered.
15:23:44 <Steven> Erik: I am fine if we define it to be done in textual order.
15:24:19 <Steven> Steven: I propose adding a note asking for user feedback.
15:24:35 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to add var evaluation to the model
15:24:56 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:25:28 <Steven> Steven: Regrets for next week
15:25:35 <Steven> Next meeting 6 December
15:25:48 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
15:25:58 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
15:26:04 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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