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16:59:07 <ktk> Meeting:  RDF-star WG biweekly meeting
16:59:15 <ktk> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/348e384e-2c0d-4c88-bb5c-5ddddf93ef4d/20241121T120000/
16:59:15 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:59:15 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/11/07-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/11/14-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:59:15 <agendabot> agenda+ Meeting next week: Thanksgiving Day
16:59:16 <agendabot> agenda+ Prioritization of next week's topics -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6
16:59:17 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
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16:59:24 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
16:59:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue Triage, available at -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
16:59:28 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
16:59:38 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:59:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
16:59:44 <ktk> RRSAgent, make log public
16:59:45 <gkellogg> present+
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17:01:38 <james> present+
17:01:47 <thomas> present+
17:01:49 <william_vw> present+
17:01:53 <ktk> present+
17:02:28 <ktk> regrets+ olaf
17:02:36 <thomas> scribe+
17:02:46 <ktk> regrets+ felix
17:02:52 <pfps> present+
17:03:07 <niklasl> present+
17:03:23 <ktk> regrets+ Dominik_T
17:03:33 <ora> present+
17:03:35 <ora> chair+
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17:03:51 <ktk> Zakim, open issue 1
17:03:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open issue 1', ktk
17:04:03 <ktk> Zakim, open topic 1
17:04:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open topic 1', ktk
17:04:16 <doerthe> present+
17:04:21 <ktk> Zakim, item 1
17:04:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 1', ktk
17:04:28 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
17:04:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/11/07-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/11/14-rdf-star-minutes.html --
17:04:31 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
17:04:46 <pfps> minutes look acceptable
17:04:56 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 2024-11-07
17:05:05 <ora> +1
17:05:05 <gkellogg> +1
17:05:05 <niklasl> +1
17:05:05 <AndyS> +1
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17:05:07 <thomas> +1
17:05:12 <doerthe> +1
17:05:13 <ktk> +1
17:05:18 <enrico> present+
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17:05:33 <pfps> +1
17:05:37 <james> +1
17:05:45 <william_vw> +1
17:05:50 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 2024-11-07
17:05:51 <TallTed> +1
17:06:18 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 2024-11-14
17:06:20 <pfps> +1
17:06:23 <gkellogg> +1
17:06:25 <ora> 0
17:06:30 <ktk> +1
17:06:31 <AndyS> +1
17:06:33 <niklasl> +1
17:06:33 <doerthe> +1
17:06:34 <thomas> +1
17:06:38 <TallTed> +1
17:06:39 <william_vw> +1
17:06:45 <james> +1
17:06:50 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 2024-11-14
17:07:00 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:07:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Meeting next week: Thanksgiving Day -- taken up [from agendabot]
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17:07:35 <Souri> present+
17:07:36 <thomas> ora: holiday in the us next week
17:08:13 <thomas> ... proposal is to cancel next weeks meeting
17:08:31 <thomas> ... propose to have a focused meeting in 2 weeks
17:09:18 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:09:18 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Prioritization of next week's topics -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:09:33 <thomas> ... all agree, so next weeks meeting is canceled
17:10:08 <AndyS> q+
17:10:39 <thomas> ... looking for "easy topics" for next meeting to get some things off the list
17:11:04 <thomas> AndyS: proposes #147
17:11:05 <gb> Issue 147 not found
17:11:20 <gkellogg> w3c/sparql-query#147
17:11:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/issues/147 -> Issue 147 consider reintroducing property paths `{x,y}` syntax dropped in SPARQL 1.1 (by TallTed) [needs discussion] [spec:enhancement]
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17:12:59 <ktk> q?
17:13:01 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:15:26 <thomas> .. will talk to pierre antoine about gettinga  label
17:15:38 <gkellogg> action: afs to work with pchampin to add labels for "defer-next-version" or similar.
17:15:46 <gb> Created -> action #137 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/137
17:15:57 <gtw> very late regrets; apologies, I got pulled into a critical meeting at the last minute.
17:16:09 <thomas> ora: what about ill-typed literalß
17:16:16 <gkellogg> regrets+ gtw
17:16:38 <thomas> ktk: we should get clearer about the different options, s that we can have a strawpoll
17:17:06 <TallTed> s/literalß/literals?/
17:18:32 <thomas> ... will work on a proposal
17:19:05 <thomas> AndyS: the load one, number ???load, maybe just a clarification under errata
17:19:41 <thomas> ora: loading something that talks about named graphs
17:19:57 <thomas> AndyS: re-mapping of names
17:20:37 <thomas> ora: value-space literals - would like to get clarity on this
17:21:03 <thomas> ANdyS: important issue, but for current or future publication?
17:21:05 <james> q+
17:21:32 <thomas> ora: suggests to have the deferment-or-not discussion
17:21:57 <thomas> gkellog turtle 132
17:22:07 <gkellogg> We should discuss w3c/rdf-turtle#132 soon.
17:22:08 <gb> Issue 132 not found
17:22:19 <thomas> s/gkellog/gkellogg
17:22:25 <gkellogg> We should discuss w3c/rdf-star-wg#132 soon.
17:22:26 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/132 -> Issue 132 Turtle Grammar: Collections and blank node property lists in triple terms (by doerthe) [needs discussion]
17:22:53 <Tpt> present+
17:24:27 <ora> ack james
17:25:02 <thomas> james: ill-typed literals and ???line4 are closely related
17:25:27 <thomas> they both have to do with value space of a literal
17:26:31 <thomas> s/???line4/rdf graphs with value spaced litersl
17:26:45 <thomas> s/litersl/literals
17:26:47 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:26:47 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:27:12 <ktk> Zakim, close item
17:27:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', ktk
17:27:17 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:27:17 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, ktk
17:27:24 <ktk> Zakim, item 5
17:27:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 5', ktk
17:27:29 <ktk> Zakim, open item 5
17:27:29 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:27:32 <thomas> ora: without pierre-antoine there's not much here for us to discuss
17:28:30 <pfps> +1 to merge in number 5
17:28:42 <thomas> gkellogg: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/152 should be good to go
17:28:42 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/152 -> Pull Request 152 add tests for rdf:JSON xsd:float and xsd:double (by pfps) [enhancement]
17:28:55 <gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/117
17:28:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/117 -> Pull Request 117 Add requirements for the L2V mapping of xsd:float and xsd:double. (by gkellogg) [spec:enhancement]
17:29:23 <ktk> q?
17:29:27 <thomas> s/https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/152 should be /https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/117 should be
17:30:39 <thomas> pfps: pr #52  "Better HTML" is very hard to review
17:30:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/52 -> CLOSED Issue 52 Comment for rdf:PlainLiteral in the specs (by domel) [needs discussion]
17:30:56 <thomas> ... probably better to merge, and then review
17:31:50 <thomas> ora: agree with pfps's proposal, but who wants to do it?
17:33:07 <thomas> ktk: try to get a better diff tool to help with processing this PR
17:33:25 <thomas> s/try to/will try to
17:34:18 <thomas> ora: rdf:JSON thing is not finished?
17:34:29 <thomas> pfps: it has one glitch left
17:34:40 <thomas> gkellogg: i fixed that
17:35:14 <thomas> pfps: agrees with gkellogg
17:35:31 <thomas> AndyS: have put in some more things today
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17:35:46 <ora> present+
17:35:49 <ora> chair+
17:36:54 <thomas> s/rdf:JSON thing/PR # 152 rdf:JSON tests
17:37:58 <thomas> pfps: suggests an issue to fix the manifest
17:38:59 <thomas> ... will create an issue for the vocabulary, but merge PR #152 already
17:38:59 <gb> Issue 152 not found
17:40:08 <thomas> pfps: will work on PR #50
17:40:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/50 -> CLOSED Action 50 put in the repo the "source of truth" for labels [1] (on pchampin) due 13 Apr 2023
17:40:49 <thomas> gkellogg: already consolidated some definitions into RDF Concepts doc
17:41:20 <thomas> pfps: the HTML fix kinda blocks further work
17:41:44 <thomas> s/the HTML fix/the outstanding HTML fix
17:42:44 <gkellogg> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/52/e29d0aa...84888af.html
17:44:25 <thomas> ... will review HTML PR first! it's non-trivial, but not too bad
17:45:36 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:45:36 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:45:50 <ktk> Zakim, open item 6
17:45:50 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Issue Triage, available at -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:45:56 <gkellogg> zakim, close item 4
17:45:56 <Zakim> agendum 4, Review of open actions, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3, closed
17:45:58 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:45:58 <Zakim> 6. Issue Triage, available at -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 [from agendabot]
17:46:00 <gkellogg> zakim, close item 5
17:46:00 <Zakim> agendum 5, Review of pull requests, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4, closed
17:46:02 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:46:02 <Zakim> 6. Issue Triage, available at -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 [from agendabot]
17:46:47 <thomas> gkellogg some tags need to be looked at
17:47:28 <thomas> ... some owe a response to external people, some have been marked as propose for closing for months now
17:48:16 <thomas> ... "pending" need work
17:48:44 <thomas> ... "notation 3" needs to go in another place, with other serializations, should go into Primer or WhatsNew
17:49:21 <thomas> ... it's not appropriate fr Turtle to reference N3 given taht N3 has no formal standing
17:49:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/46 -> Issue 46 Why quoted triples, when we already have named graphs? (by lars-hellstrom) [wr:pending]
17:50:32 <thomas> ora: issue #46 (why quoted triples when we already have named graphs)
17:50:33 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/46 -> Issue 46 Proposal: rename errata-related labels in all repositories (by pchampin)
17:50:52 <thomas> gkellogg: it's resolved because we have triple terms now, not quoted triples
17:51:01 <thomas> ... but chairs should answer this
17:51:26 <thomas> ora: right, putting it on chairs list
17:52:08 <AndyS> q+ to suggest closing https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/issues/6 which is marked "done" (and is done).
17:52:08 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/issues/6 -> Issue 6 Add Turtle, TriG, RDF/XML and SPARQL tests to better validate relative IRI resolution (by gkellogg) [enhancement] [SPARQL]
17:52:47 <thomas> s/issue #46/https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/46
17:53:34 <gkellogg> subtopic: w3c/rdf-tests#6
17:54:31 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:54:31 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ktk
17:54:35 <ktk> Q?
17:54:37 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:54:37 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to suggest closing https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/issues/6 which is marked "done" (and is done).
17:54:41 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:54:41 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:54:50 <thomas> AndyS will close it, Ruben will be notified
17:55:38 <thomas> ora: ISWC a poster from Vienna, a policy representation using RDF-star, looked useful
17:55:48 <AndyS> https://users.ics.forth.gr/~fgeo/files/ISWC24Poster.pdf
17:56:01 <thomas> ... will try to have the creator give a presentation
17:56:19 <thomas> s/creator/author
17:56:24 <enrico> https://users.ics.forth.gr/~fgeo/files/ISWC24Poster.pdf
17:56:40 <enrico> (the paper of the mentioned rdf-star work)
17:57:22 <enrico> (they won the best poster award at ISWC-24)
17:57:35 <ora> Ora's keynote talk at ISWC: https://www.lassila.org/publications/2024/lassila-iswc2024-keynote.pdf
17:57:40 <thomas> AndyS your talk got positive reactions on LinkedIn and other places
17:59:33 <thomas> AndyS: any update on the charter?
17:59:56 <thomas> ktk: there will be an update, but not before next time, discussion is ongoing
18:00:01 <william_vw> +1 for TF meeting tomorrow
18:00:51 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:00:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
18:00:59 <thomas> ora: happy thinksgiving to all who celebrate it, and see you after that
18:03:21 <ktk> s/gettinga/getting a/
18:03:21 <ktk> s/next weeks/next week's/
18:03:21 <ktk> s/taht/that/
18:03:21 <ktk> s/fr/for/
18:03:21 <ktk> s/literals?$/literals/
18:03:27 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:03:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
18:04:26 <ktk> RRSAgent, leave
18:04:26 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-rdf-star-actions.rdf :
18:04:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: afs to work with pchampin to add labels for "defer-next-version" or similar. [1]
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