14:49:27 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 14:49:32 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-i18n-irc 14:49:41 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b7edae68-f52c-4aab-a1a6-3c37459e0786/20241121T150000/ 14:49:41 clear agenda 14:49:41 agenda+ Agenda Review 14:49:41 agenda+ Action Items 14:49:43 agenda+ Info Share 14:49:45 agenda+ RADAR Review 14:49:47 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 14:49:50 agenda+ Proposed New Article: How to make list markers stand upright in vertical text 14:49:52 agenda+ Publish DNOTE: Working with Time and Timezones 14:49:55 agenda+ Merge: Language negotiation 14:49:57 agenda+ AOB? 14:55:33 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 14:55:42 Chair: Addison Phillips 14:55:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-i18n-minutes.html addison 15:00:17 present+ Addison, Atsushi 15:03:33 scribe: xfq 15:03:34 present+ 15:03:40 rrsagent, make minutes 15:03:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-i18n-minutes.html xfq 15:03:48 regrets+ JcK 15:03:56 zakim, take up agendum 1 15:03:56 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:03:56 agenda? 15:03:57 present+ r12a, Bert 15:04:16 zakim, take up agendum 2 15:04:16 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:04:19 addison: anybody got something that they don't see in the agenda? 15:04:24 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues 15:04:33 #142 15:04:33 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/142 -> Action 142 check if we can publish the new version of jlreq (on himorin) due 2024-11-21 15:05:08 atsushi: #142, trying to work on it, still pending 15:05:21 atsushi: there's a long standing PR 15:05:32 ... I need to check 15:05:32 #141 15:05:33 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/141 -> Action 141 set up IETF reviews requested by mnot@ et al (on xfq) due 2024-11-14 15:05:48 #139 15:05:49 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/139 -> Action 139 review old timezone note to ensure all content is present and accounted for (on aphillips) due 2024-11-07 15:06:24 xfq: did contact mnot about where to put comments 15:06:38 ... send comments to authors and art area mailing list and iesg 15:07:50 addison: traditionally, the IETF does everything on mailing lists 15:08:10 ... what that probably means is that we should collect everything and write one email to the IESG list 15:08:12 close #139 15:08:14 Closed -> issue #139 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/139 15:08:20 #135 15:08:21 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135 follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17 15:08:29 ... let's actually see the reviews and then decide what, if anything, we want to do 15:08:39 #134 15:08:39 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/134 -> Action 134 file an issue about making input respect locale (on aphillips) due 2024-10-05 15:08:44 #127 15:08:45 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127 make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30 15:08:50 #125 15:08:51 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/125 -> Action 125 propose creating a UTR for text-emphasis skip if we can get help with maintain (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30 15:09:14 #114 15:09:15 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/114 -> Action 114 read through i18n-activity#1659 and report on whether we're satisfied (on r12a) due 2024-08-22 15:10:05 #90 15:10:06 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18 15:10:32 agenda+ string-search PR 15:10:41 #89 15:10:42 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18 15:10:48 #33 15:10:48 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 15:11:02 #8 15:11:02 xfq: dark mode, no progress 15:11:03 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 15:11:24 #7 15:11:24 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 15:11:37 #4 15:11:37 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023 15:11:48 zakim, take up agendum 3 15:11:48 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:12:22 addison: you may have all seen my email about the string-meta presentation 15:17:12 r12a: I was talking with xfq earlier today and we were both thinking just recently that we've been thinking of starting a new account on Bluesky 15:18:19 ... now you have to have a Twitter account to be able to see stuff 15:19:48 addison: since it's work to put stuff out there, we should minimize the work 15:20:11 r12a: we've been doing it 15:20:40 ... what we do is we post the info on Mastodon and then we take that over and copy it basically, maybe resize it a little to X 15:20:49 ... it's not a major hassle 15:20:57 Don't know much about Bluesky, so no objection there. Leaving X seems good. 15:21:02 addison: any objection? 15:21:09 zakim, take up agendum 4 15:21:09 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:21:17 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1 15:22:42 addison: Input Events 15:23:04 https://github.com/w3c/input-events/issues/166 15:23:05 https://github.com/w3c/input-events/issues/166 -> Issue 166 Horizontal Review of Input events (by siusin) 15:23:44 Not yet 15:23:58 xfq: EPUB 3.3, still pending 15:24:06 ... also for DAPT 15:24:40 s/Not yet/Media Capabilities not done yet/ 15:24:47 zakim, take up agendum 5 15:24:47 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:24:51 addison: I observed xfq have three to do by a month from now 15:24:54 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending 15:24:59 ... do you want me to take Input Events? 15:25:04 #1860 15:25:04 Issue 1860 not found 15:25:07 xfq: that's very helpful 15:25:11 i18n-activity#1860 15:25:12 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1860 -> Issue 1860 type should be defined as identical to but not contain (by himorin) [pending] [non-I18N] [wg:vc] [s:controller-document] 15:25:16 addison: I'll take that one then 15:25:51 addison: did you ever file that issue? 15:26:01 atsushi: sorry, I think I totally forgot about this 15:26:20 ... it seems the document has been updated 15:26:46 i18n-activity#1940 15:26:47 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1940 -> Issue 1940 0xA3 0xA0 in GB 18030 (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [spec-type-issue] [clreq] [s:encoding] [whatwg] 15:26:51 addison: I saw some traffic on #1940 15:26:52 Issue 1940 not found 15:27:31 xfq: basically, the encoding spec, they changed the mapping of 0xA3 0xA0 15:27:43 ... in gb18030 to U+3000 in Unicode 15:28:00 ... it should map to E5E5, which is a PUA code point per GB 15:28:17 ... but they don't map it according to GB because a bug filed in 2002 15:28:31 ... people were using as a space characters and 3000 is ideographic space 15:28:40 ... it doesn't conform to GB standard 15:28:48 ... file to see: do we need to keep this? 15:29:04 xfq: since webpages using GB18030 are really few 15:29:17 ... if they changed the mapping to conform, it would affect many pages 15:29:30 ... their counter argument is that, then, yeah, we don't need to update this 15:29:36 ... because it won't improve anything 15:29:54 ... haven't analyzed if code points are really used to indicate space or not 15:30:13 addison: what is the character 18030 thinks its encoding? 15:30:21 xfq: it's a private use code point 15:31:42 https://pica.zhimg.com/80/v2-0ddb4db958237498fb3e34a36c3625c9_1440w.webp?source=1def8aca 15:37:25 action: addison: make comments on the encoding issue attached to i18n-activity#1940 15:37:32 Created -> action #143 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/143 15:38:22 addison: because it's a non-character code point, I would almost rather see it go to FFFD 15:38:29 agenda? 15:38:31 ... if GB 18030 hasn't assigned it 15:38:39 zakim, take up agendum 6 15:38:39 agendum 6 -- Proposed New Article: How to make list markers stand upright in vertical text -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:38:42 ... that's something to look up 15:38:50 https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-upright-counters-in-vertical.html 15:40:09 r12a: I'd like to send this out for a wide review 15:40:21 ... got one comment already from Murata-san 15:40:30 ... but it was a bit vague 15:40:51 ... he didn't tell me what browser he was using or which example exactly he was talking about 15:41:31 ... we talked about this on Tuesday with fantasai and florian 15:41:53 ... Murata-san's issue was that the digits above the vertical lines didn't look completely centered 15:42:17 ... it seems I need to raise an issue against the browsers 15:42:31 ... that says you should align these combined upright 15:42:39 ... bits of text with the center baseline 15:42:53 addison: @@1 15:43:14 ... I see the non-centeredness of it on Firefox 15:43:29 addison: I think the glyph does that 15:45:29 [addison shares screen] 15:46:29 [r12a shares screen] 15:47:51 scribe+ addison 15:48:38 addison: is there any objection? 15:49:34 zakim, take up agendum 8 15:49:34 agendum 8 -- Merge: Language negotiation -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:50:14 r12a: I started writing an article about how to make oblique text lean in the writing direction of rtl scripts 15:50:23 ... lean to the left rather than to the right 15:50:39 ... which is a bit problematic at the moment 15:51:08 ... I don't know whether that's still a useful thing to write up 15:51:21 addison: it may have a short shelf life 15:51:55 r12a: it might be useful for other people to better understand the situation too 15:52:14 addison: if you've done the work, then putting it somewhere is maybe a good idea 15:52:21 i18n-drafts#581 15:52:21 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/581 -> Pull Request 581 Initial work on language-negotiation materials (by aphillips) 15:52:24 ... we don't really have a blog 15:52:28 https://github.com/aphillips/i18n-drafts/blob/gh-pages/articles/language-negotiation/language-negotiation.md 15:53:00 addison: my article on language and locale negotiation ^ 15:53:08 ... I'm not perfectly happy with this 15:53:17 ... I don't like my long example table 15:53:37 ... other than that, I think it's got most of the info in it 15:53:54 ... I'd like to merge the Markdown into our repo and then work on the conversion 15:53:56 ... to HTML 15:54:05 action: addison: remind everyone to read the language negotiation article 15:54:07 Created -> action #144 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/144 15:54:28 zakim, take up agendum 7 15:54:29 agendum 7 -- Publish DNOTE: Working with Time and Timezones -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:54:46 https://w3c.github.io/timezone/ 15:55:10 addison: there is the current draft which has all of the material ^ 15:55:59 ... do you all want to consider it some more before we make it a draft note? 15:56:44 r12a: it may need a Contributors section at the beginning of the Introduction 15:56:56 addison: there's an Acknowledgements section 15:57:10 r12a: yeah, but we agreed to start putting that stuff at the top of the document 15:57:30 addison: much of that is preserved from the past 15:58:26 addison: I'll add Richard 15:58:38 rrsagent, make minutes 15:58:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-i18n-minutes.html xfq 15:59:07 https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/#contributors 15:59:47 xfq: see clreq Contributors section 16:00:27 addison: do I just get rid of the Acknowledgements section? 16:00:38 ... and just turn it into Contributors? 16:00:43 r12a: yeah 16:01:25 https://www.w3.org/TR/alreq/#h_acknowledgements 16:02:03 r12a: I kept the ID for alreq 16:02:25 addison: or I could double ID for the section 16:03:33 action: addison: publish timezone for wide review 16:03:35 Created -> action #145 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/145 16:03:48 agenda? 16:03:49 addison: I'll publish it with Contributors 16:04:02 zakim, take up agendum 9 16:04:02 agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 16:04:24 addison: do y'all want to have a meeting next week? 16:04:32 ... next week is US holiday, Thanksgiving 16:05:00 rrsagent, make minutes 16:05:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-i18n-minutes.html xfq 16:05:44 ... the Christmas holiday falls the day before this call in that week 16:05:51 ... in the last full week of this year 16:06:05 ... anybody want to have a meeting that week or shall I cancel that one? 16:06:11 ... and also the meeting of Jan 2 16:06:19 ... any objection to removing those? 16:06:24 r12a: not for me 16:06:35 addison: all right, so I'll cancel those two calls 16:07:02 ... if memory serves, the CSS call is on the 24th 16:07:05 action: addison: create new calendar entry for I18N+CSS 16:07:06 r12a: maybe remove that one 16:07:06 Created -> action #146 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/146 16:07:35 rrsagent, make minutes 16:07:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-i18n-minutes.html xfq 16:07:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/21-i18n-minutes.html addison 16:18:18 bigbluehat has joined #i18n 16:27:39 zakim, bye 16:27:39 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Atsushi, xfq, r12a, Bert 16:27:39 Zakim has left #i18n