13:52:05 RRSAgent has joined #global-inclusion 13:52:10 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/11/20-global-inclusion-irc 13:52:10 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:52:11 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Jan 13:52:20 chair: Jan_McSorley 13:52:44 Meeting: Internationalization Accessibility Community Group (global-inclusion) 13:52:56 date: 20 11 2024 13:53:11 zakim, clear agenda 13:53:12 agenda cleared 13:54:37 Agenda+ Review the following i18n resources: Internationalization Best Practice for Spec Developers (https://www.w3.org/TR/international-specs/); Short i18n review checklist (https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-drafts/techniques/shortchecklist) 13:55:50 Agenda+ Consolidate feedback from homework on patterns in Objectives 1, 2, and 5 in the Content Usable Pattern Feedback Document: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARdgFWjFQb2vOEDQkHYu24ociCeRMDF9xQhaMQgW1MA/edit?usp=sharing 13:56:33 Agenda+ Assign the following Homework: Review Patterns for Objectives 3 and 4 in the Content Usable Pattern Feedback Document - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARdgFWjFQb2vOEDQkHYu24ociCeRMDF9xQhaMQgW1MA/edit?usp=sharing 14:05:45 andy has joined #global-inclusion 14:06:34 philpp has joined #global-inclusion 14:06:44 present + 14:06:56 present + 14:07:00 present+ 14:07:14 zakim, next item 14:07:14 agendum 1 -- Review the following i18n resources: Internationalization Best Practice for Spec Developers (https://www.w3.org/TR/international-specs/); Short i18n review checklist 14:07:16 ... (https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-drafts/techniques/shortchecklist) -- taken up [from Jan] 14:07:53 present+ 14:08:41 short version of i18n guidance: https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-drafts/techniques/shortchecklist 14:10:12 longer version of i18n guidance: https://www.w3.org/TR/international-specs/ 14:11:39 Philipp: Where are all of the W3C resources? Is there a place where all accessibility-related specifications are centralized. 14:19:56 Lisa wants the community group to note new patterns that we identify as we review the internationalization guidance. 14:21:19 There are questions about what happened with the Education and Outreach working group. Philipp was hoping they could create an index of all W3C guidance, resources, community groups, etc. There are too many guidance documents that exist and it's difficult to find them. 14:21:43 Andy: search by itself is not sufficient because you may not even know what to look for. 14:22:22 Jan and Andy will dig into this and try to find some answers on whether this exists and if not, we will try to find links to important resources that affect the work of this group. 14:23:20 Andy: A page on the W3C website that everyone could favorite that would list all of the groups. 14:23:43 zakim, next item 14:23:43 agendum 2 -- Consolidate feedback from homework on patterns in Objectives 1, 2, and 5 in the Content Usable Pattern Feedback Document: 14:23:46 ... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARdgFWjFQb2vOEDQkHYu24ociCeRMDF9xQhaMQgW1MA/edit?usp=sharing -- taken up [from Jan] 14:31:49 Andy and Philipp: We need to come up with different feedback on the examples and stop pointing out older people so often - this contributes to ageism. 14:32:27 Andy and Philipp: There is some confusion for people who are not native English speakers when longer sentences are used. 14:33:12 Andy and Philipp: There seems to be a disregard for screen reader users - there is a lot of use of "click here" 14:34:33 Philipp: the recommendation of using emojis is not helpful for screen readers - the description of these can be really long, so when you put them at the beginning of a line, it adds a lot of verbosity. A lot of younger designers often use emojis as bullets. 14:36:25 Philipp: Directionality - we need to give up on directionality because of vertical languages - some of the examples need to be redone with other scripts - there are also some problems with how they describe languages. 14:37:50 Andy: COGA uses terms that are not easy to translate or understand - like "move on" - you think that something is moving - we need to use the primary definition of words. 15:03:18 Andy's rewrites are through AI and Philipp's rewrites are more organic 15:03:38 Jan will copy over their rewrites into our consolidated spreadsheet. 15:03:57 Andy: Some of the bullets had commas behind them - it makes it hard to read. 15:04:09 zakim, next item 15:04:09 agendum 3 -- Assign the following Homework: Review Patterns for Objectives 3 and 4 in the Content Usable Pattern Feedback Document - 15:04:11 ... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARdgFWjFQb2vOEDQkHYu24ociCeRMDF9xQhaMQgW1MA/edit?usp=sharing -- taken up [from Jan] 15:20:47 Jan has joined #global-inclusion 15:21:25 4.2.1 - Don't use "move on" - needs to be reworded 15:21:51 4.2.2 - Need an alternative to "sign post" - consider how to not use "left-to-right" - make this more international - needs to be reworded 15:22:14 4.2.3 - Needs to be rewritten - missing commas makes the first sentence confusing; examples need to include non-Roman alphabet scripts; need to add "sensitivity review" and "greater diversity" to the drop down; 15:22:51 4.2.4 - Andy and Philipp both have suggested rewrites 15:23:29 4.2.5 - rewrites available from Andy and Philipp - replace "click" and don't perpetuate ageism - needs sensitivity review 15:24:28 4.2.6 - rewrites available from Andy and Philipp - questioning the use of "unambiguous" - suggest removing. Changed the person to ADHD to avoid ageism 15:24:59 4.2.7 - Philipp has a lot of feedback on icons - we need to include emojis because emojis are often used for bullets - Andy has rewrite suggestions 15:25:40 4.3.1 - This is another example of "move on" being used. Remove ageism and add directions; (John) we need to remember that we may need to point out how these can help aging communities- we could maybe word them differently, rather than eliminating it. (Philipp) we need to have additional examples so that people who are old are not the only 15:25:40 examples. 15:26:17 4.3.4 - Andy has rewrite examples from AI 15:27:11 4.3.6 - "friendly" is an ambiguous word - "capability" is hard to understand. Sentences should be shortened. 15:28:01 4.6.1 - Andy has an AI rewrite. Be inclusive of people with limited target language skills (target language is defined as the language that it is interpreted into) - native language is not an effective term because of how mobile people are - they may not be fluent in their "native" language because their "first" language might be different. 15:28:48 4.6.2 - Andy has a rewrite - still stumbled over the last bullet, which used techical language - "run the most used function" under "avoid" 15:39:36 • rrsagent, generate minutes 15:39:45 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:39:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/20-global-inclusion-minutes.html Jan 15:40:13 zakim, end meeting 15:40:13 As of this point the attendees have been Jan, kirkwood 15:40:13 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 15:40:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/20-global-inclusion-minutes.html Zakim 15:40:19 I am happy to have been of service, Jan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 15:40:19 Zakim has left #global-inclusion 15:40:33 rrsagent, bye 15:40:33 I see no action items