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09:14:44 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
09:14:56 <Lisa> agenda+ updates and actions https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc
09:15:11 <Lisa> agenda+ Structure sub group
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15:45:43 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:46:18 <Lisa> regrets+ EA
15:46:36 <Lisa> agenda+ this weeks meetings
15:46:42 <Lisa> agenda?
15:46:52 <Lisa> scribe list : https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
15:46:57 <Lisa> close item 4
15:51:49 <Lisa> agenda+ other suggestions to content useable
15:53:16 <Lisa> q?
15:54:04 <Lisa> agenda+ holidays
15:55:38 <Lisa> agenda order is 1, 6,4, 2, 3,
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15:59:47 <Lisa> agenda?
16:00:11 <Lisa> agenda order is 1,3, 6,4, 2,
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16:01:16 <Lisa> not at quarum
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16:02:13 <Lisa> scribe list : https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
16:02:58 <Lisa> scribe+ tiffanyburtin, Lisa
16:04:09 <Lisa> next item
16:05:40 <tiffanyburtin> Lisa has done a little bit of updated "COGA Action Items" but would like us to review as well.
16:06:14 <tiffanyburtin> Lisa reviewed Making Content Usable area of the document
16:07:32 <tiffanyburtin> Lisa We will need to have a detailed discussion on the testing
16:08:17 <tiffanyburtin> Rain The community is working on a couple of topics and Rain is joining the community group meeting to sync
16:08:38 <Lisa> next item
16:09:38 <tiffanyburtin> Lisa Meetings this week, Mental Health 8 est, and then a two hour block.
16:10:02 <Lisa> next item
16:10:47 <tiffanyburtin> Lisa, Holidays assuming we are taking the week of Christmas and the week after. Is this ok with everyone
16:10:51 <Jennie_Delisi> +1
16:11:00 <tiffanyburtin> +1
16:11:36 <Lisa> next item
16:12:08 <tiffanyburtin> Holiday from 23 December 2024 to 3 January 2025
16:12:21 <Lisa> 2 weeks
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16:15:03 <tiffanyburtin> Rain sharing structure document with two different intros to the document based on the information Rain received. The studies make it very clear that we need to make sure to be intentional where we place the information and keep a clear structure to the document. Rain believes we will need two versions of the document. One very friendly one very
16:15:03 <tiffanyburtin> structured
16:16:47 <tiffanyburtin> Rain renamed a section to Quick Start Guide.
16:17:08 <Lisa> q+ to ask about buisness devlopment , mapping etc
16:17:41 <tiffanyburtin> Rain found that it was important to give an introduction currently "Abstract (introduction)"
16:18:39 <julierawe> Could "Stauts of this document" be a 4th accordion?
16:18:43 <tiffanyburtin> Rain Our three sections are now an accordion to meet the TR requirement
16:19:15 <Jennie_Delisi> q+
16:19:21 <tiffanyburtin> Rain Questions?
16:19:21 <Lisa> ack next
16:19:22 <Zakim> Lisa, you wanted to ask about buisness devlopment , mapping etc
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16:20:26 <julierawe> q+
16:20:40 <tiffanyburtin> Lisa prefers the three button version. Would like to add a label with Legal Stuff in it to help orient users on what pieces of content reside where
16:21:50 <Lisa> ack next
16:22:03 <tiffanyburtin> Lisa and Rain want to make sure the Appendix to have the business cases available
16:22:29 <tiffanyburtin> Jennie_Delisi Concerned about Zoom
16:22:54 <tiffanyburtin> Rain has the intention of responsive design for zoomed and mobile use
16:23:29 <tiffanyburtin> Jennie_Delisi will the numbered areas be a numbered list. Rain Yes it would be an ordered list.
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16:25:33 <tiffanyburtin> Jennie_Delisi last question is in the second example, concerned with semantic heading structure
16:26:06 <tiffanyburtin> Rain We need the headings to be styled as clear headings
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16:28:39 <Lisa> rain: tiffinay can test is the summarised version is availible via screen reader
16:28:58 <Lisa> q?
16:29:02 <tiffanyburtin> scribe+ present+ IRC kicked me out
16:29:04 <Lisa> ack next
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16:31:42 <tiffanyburtin> scribe+ Rain the fuller table of contents would still be there, but we found in our research that the quick start guide was really needed
16:33:10 <tiffanyburtin> Jennie_Delisi if a person was looking for forms, it would be under Design and Build. We would hope that the user would do a find function to find the word Form.
16:33:35 <Jennie_Delisi> * That was Julie.
16:33:56 <kirkwood> q+
16:34:35 <Lisa> q+
16:35:00 <tiffanyburtin> Jennie_Delisi Why is users under design and build. Rain said that most users who come to the document already know this is important so the design and build is first. Know your user is second for building the business case. We had users that felt seen by having the Know your user high in the heirarchy.
16:36:17 <Jennie_Delisi> * That comment above was Julie as well. She is making some great contributions!
16:36:39 <tiffanyburtin> Sorry Jennie, those last two comments were from julierawe
16:37:06 <Jennie_Delisi> * No worries tiffanyburtin - I bet it is based on the way IRC grabs the codes for people's names.
16:38:34 <Lisa> ack next
16:38:50 <tiffanyburtin> Rain and tiffanyburtin may need to huddle on design separately
16:39:05 <julierawe> +1 to John and Lisa—seems more logical to start with know your user
16:39:27 <kirkwood> we can emphasize design and build in some way.
16:41:57 <Lisa> q+
16:42:01 <tiffanyburtin> Rain In another accordion section where we have icons to aid the meaning of the information. We originally had longer headings, but we are better off having short word heading and a descriptive sentence directing following the heading.
16:42:17 <tiffanyburtin> Rain we need to still flush out this design slightly
16:43:34 <tiffanyburtin> Lisa likes the quick sentence, but at the same time she would like to know what is included in the section.
16:43:41 <kirkwood> ack kirkwood
16:44:07 <tiffanyburtin> I think we will have the TOC still to express that detail Lisa
16:44:11 <julierawe> +1 to Lisa suggestion to have the descriptions give sense of what kinds of things you'll find in each of these sections
16:44:30 <julierawe> q+
16:44:38 <Lisa> ack next
16:44:46 <Lisa> findability
16:44:48 <Lisa> ack next
16:44:51 <tiffanyburtin> q+
16:46:23 <tiffanyburtin> julierawe a short sentence of what is included and summary, but make them different. (julie please feel free to restate this)
16:46:32 <Lisa> ack next
16:47:01 <julierawe> If we can have short sentences that feel different from each other, great! If they start to sound similar, maybe we skip the high-level descriptions and just detail the "what you'll find"
16:47:17 <Jennie_Delisi> q+
16:47:33 <Lisa> tiffany: table of content should be always availibel as well. so tere are multiple ways for difrent types
16:48:05 <Lisa> rain: that was most interesting part of studies is the table of content is realy important
16:48:20 <Lisa> but the toc was hard to find
16:48:26 <Lisa> ack next
16:49:07 <Lisa> jennie: taggs? can that help support high frquescy use pices such as forms. so a filter
16:49:11 <kirkwood> keyword area?
16:49:31 <Lisa> rain: in tr we could do it in an apendix only
16:49:48 <Lisa> but in the web version we can do it
16:50:36 <Lisa> ironicly ong term w3c users did not like it. but everyone else did like it
16:50:51 <Lisa> but they will probably look at the tr version
16:51:14 <julierawe> Kudos to Rain and team!!!
16:51:22 <Lisa> next item
16:51:50 <kirkwood> well done Rain!
16:52:39 <Lisa> +1 too fantastic job
16:52:56 <Lisa> jan: internatiolization sub group on wensday at 9 est
16:53:19 <Jan> scribe+ Jan
16:54:15 <Jan> Lisa: We have a Mental Health subgroup meeting at 8:00 EST on Thursday and then 2 hours of an editor's meeting and then the structures group at 11:00 EST
16:54:23 <julierawe> The 2-hour editors call is this Thursday, November 21st at 9am ET
16:54:45 <Jan> Lisa: Let's see if Eric can make an agenda for the editor's meeting.
16:55:27 <julierawe> I agree with Lisa!
16:56:28 <julierawe> Lisa suggested we prioritize getting Rashmi's changes into the new template for Content Usable, and deprioritize getting the issue papers ready.
16:57:09 <Lisa> julie: new set of outcome subgroups
16:57:25 <Lisa> there is text aperence. will tak=lk about font
16:57:37 <Jan> Julie: Question about the new set of WCAG 3.0 Outcome Subgroups - one of them is about text appearance and I think it's going to get into Cognitive territory, such as what type of font is best. Does anyone want to join any of these subgroups?
16:58:05 <Jan> Julie: Each group has set different times to meet. Tomorrow, the groups are meeting during the 2nd half of the AG meeting.
16:58:41 <Jan> Julie: I sent information about the subgroups when the survey went out. Julie will send out a reminder about what the groups are and how to join.
16:59:00 <kirkwood> +1 to lisa
16:59:03 <Jan> Lisa: There is a lot of information out there about fonts - some of which is not true or useful
16:59:57 <Jan> Lisa: Internationalization will be important to the text / font discussion
17:00:21 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
17:00:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/18-coga-minutes.html Lisa
17:00:48 <Jan> John: I attended the views subgroup and there are cognitive implications to that regarding changing views and the amount of information on the screen.
17:00:49 <Lisa> john: has joined the views. important for cognative design
17:00:54 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
17:00:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/18-coga-minutes.html Lisa
17:01:15 <julierawe> Thanks, everyone!
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