14:00:38 RRSAgent has joined #wot-pf 14:00:42 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-irc 14:00:45 meeting: WoT Plugfest 14:01:22 present+ Kaz_Ashiura, Ege_Korkan, Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Roman_Binkert, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:02:25 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 14:03:11 present+ Larry_Robinson 14:03:22 rrsagent, make log public 14:03:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:03:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:03:45 chair: Ege 14:03:45 scribenick: JKRhb 14:03:52 topic: Agenda Review 14:04:05 ek: Sebastian is at a fair that is why I am taking over 14:04:15 ... everyone is already aware of the patent policy 14:04:32 ... we are using IRC for the chat and the queue 14:04:44 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_13.11.2024 14:04:50 ... we will quickly take a look at the minutes 14:04:55 i|Sebas|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_13.11.2024 agenda for today| 14:04:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:04:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:05:05 cris has joined #wot-pf 14:05:05 ... but everyone should have already received them 14:05:22 ... I will quickly go over them, but everyone should have already read them 14:05:32 ... last time we talked about VPN and the demo presentations 14:05:34 q? 14:05:34 i|we will|topic: Minutes| 14:05:35 ... the PRs 14:05:43 i|we will|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html Nov-6| 14:05:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:05:50 ... any remarks regarding the minutes from last week? 14:06:08 present+ Fady_Salama 14:06:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:06:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:06:17 ... Hearing none, then the minutes are approved, thank you, Fady, for taking minutes last time 14:06:21 topic: @@@ 14:06:27 s/@@@/Logistics/ 14:06:34 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_WoT_Week_2024_planning WoT Week wiki 14:06:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:06:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:06:47 ek: The list of partitipants has grown 14:06:58 ... there are more people from Siemens, also someone we met in the context of the CG 14:07:08 ... already a great amount of people 14:07:24 ... even excluding remote participants, should be about 40 people 14:07:33 https://wot-conference.events.dc.siemens.com/registrations/4656c284-196e-4af4-865f-060b0af4364a 14:07:40 luca_barbato has joined #wot-pf 14:07:44 ... please be aware that the even on Wednesday needs additional registration 14:08:02 ... also heard people ask whether there is a "perfect integration" between the hotel and the event 14:08:14 mjk has joined #wot-pf 14:08:25 ... there isn't, you just need to mention that you are going to attend the event, if there are any issues, contact us 14:08:30 q+ 14:08:33 subtopic: Status of the VPN 14:09:14 q- 14:09:40 ek: I needed to make sure that we have enough network switches and so on 14:10:03 ... the number of ports is not a concern, but we need to make sure that people will be able to quickly reconnect on Wednesday 14:10:06 i|I needed|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/604 PR 604 - Basic Infrasturucture Information| 14:10:20 ... but I would recommend bringing your own switch on Wednesday 14:10:30 s/sturucture/structure/ 14:10:32 ... also have very long Ethernet cables, so there should not be an issue 14:10:50 q+ to point out the typo of the PR to be fixed as "Infrastructure" :) 14:11:05 ... then regarding the network, if we want to conduct a video call, you should connect to the Siemens guest network 14:11:19 q- 14:11:34 ... you can contact Sebastian, Mahda, or me to get access, please don 14:11:50 s/don/don't use it for heavy networking/ 14:12:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:12:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:12:25 ... still need to test whether the VPN will work, it is supposed to "trap" people in the VPN when they join the network 14:12:47 s/subtopic: Status/topic: Status/ 14:12:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:12:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:12:56 mm: Just a comment: If you need to have a server on the public network, you can use an SSH tunnel and host it via AWS, for example 14:13:11 ek: Good point, will add that 14:13:55 mm: Need to make sure that security etc. is verified, just need an external computer, then you can connect to something like Digital Ocean 14:14:13 q? 14:14:14 ek: If there is nothing else, then I will merge PR 604 that includes this information now 14:14:28 Merged 14:14:46 ek: Next up is PR 589 with the updated VPN instructions 14:15:21 ... it was opened by someone external, and Toumura-San asked them about it 14:15:54 ts: I asked them whether the procedure they describe is very necessary, not needed for a working VPN 14:16:02 ek: Okay, then we are not going to merge it 14:16:12 subtopic: Validation of TDs 14:16:56 ek: As you might have noticed, the TD validation is currently failing, with TD 605 I was able to fix it, it is also much faster onw 14:17:04 s/onw/now/ 14:17:18 ... please submit now the TDs of your implementations 14:17:30 i|589|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/589 PR 589 - Update vpn_softetherbridge.md : to briged interaface will assiged with physical interface's MAC address. 14:17:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:17:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:18:00 ... I would suggest that we merge the PRs asynchronously, as long as they do not overwrite others 14:18:51 ... we can also link the TD of the implementation in the table, I added one already. Note that the IP addresses are going to be different for the live devices 14:19:15 i|604|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/604 PR 604 - Basic Infrastructure Information| 14:19:16 ek: In PR 606 I also added additional TDs for TUM devices 14:19:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:19:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:19:29 ... they have been provided by Fady and Roman 14:19:54 ... this the direction I would like to go so that we can have an organized overview of the submitted TDs 14:20:15 ek: Are there any objections to merging TD submissions asychronously? 14:20:19 No objections 14:20:33 s/subtopic: Validation/topic: Validation/ 14:20:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:20:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:20:42 ek: Then we can proceed, probably no resolution needed for that 14:20:42 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2024-11-wot-week/2024-11-27-WoT-Conference-Presentation.pptx 14:20:46 subtopic: Presentations 14:21:00 ek: Everyone should provide one slide for the presentation on stage 14:21:19 i|605|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/605 PR 605 - CI test| 14:21:24 ... there is also going to be a poster template, which you will be able to put behind your table during the demo 14:21:32 subtopic: New PRs 14:21:47 ek: There are two new PRs which don't add TDs 14:21:51 i|606|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/606 PR 606 - add TUM devices part 1| 14:21:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:21:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:22:12 ... there is one from Siemens (PR 602), these add devices with temperature and humidity sensors 14:22:30 s/subtopic: Presentations// 14:22:40 ... we will also have a gateway that can expose other protocols northbound via HTTP and WebSockets 14:22:44 i|Presentation.pptx|topic: Presentations| 14:22:54 s/subtopic: New PRs/topic: New PRs/ 14:22:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:22:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:23:04 ... enabling to test us whether we can map concepts to HTTP without losing semantics 14:23:10 ... (notices that there is a merge conflict) 14:23:29 ... okay, if there are no objections, then I would do the conflict resolution later and merge the PR 14:24:11 ek: The next PR (603) adds more TUM devices to the table, a small robot arm and two conveyor belts 14:24:28 ... also seeing no objections, so I will apply the same procedure to this PR 14:24:37 topic: User Scenarios 14:24:49 i|602|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/602 PR 602 - More Siemens Devices| 14:24:52 https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2024.11.Munich/Readme.md#wip---user-scenarios 14:24:58 ek: So now we can come to the more interesting part and do some brainstorming on user scenarios 14:25:07 .... is part of the document I linked 14:25:14 i|603|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/603 PR 603 - Small robot arm and conveyor belts from TUM| 14:25:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:25:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:25:45 q+ 14:25:53 ... I think NSGI-LG(?) is not relevant for Smart Cities at the moment, so I would remove it for now 14:25:59 q? 14:26:33 kaz: I am okay with your top-down approach for now, but I think we should clarify which devices are going to be used for which purpose 14:26:48 ... starting with these listed items is fine, but we also need to ask about people 14:27:01 s/people/people's expectations/ 14:28:02 ... some scenarios might not be listed down below that would fit the existing devices, so we should ask the people what kind of application or service they want to use 14:28:04 ack k 14:28:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:28:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:28:31 ek: Commenting for Siemens, the Openflexure Microscope is more about long-running actions 14:28:42 q+ 14:28:47 ... the others are more related to smart home or smart city, sold to building managers 14:29:16 kaz: Maybe we should ask the people present what they want to use their devices for 14:29:29 mm: Just noticed KNX IoT 14:29:45 ek: They are more like a profile for CoAP + other technologies 14:30:54 mm: So this could be assigned to "Technical Purposes", indicating that we test devices like KNX 14:31:03 i/Just noticed/subtopic: KNX IoT devices from Siemens/ 14:31:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:31:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:31:14 ek: (adds KNX as a bullet point) 14:31:31 ack m 14:31:31 subtopic: Hitachi 14:31:36 mm: The same is probably true for Hitachi 14:31:45 ek: Should I add it? 14:31:50 ts: Yes 14:31:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:31:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:32:02 s/ts:/kt:/ 14:32:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:32:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:32:59 subtopic: Siemens Sentron PAC 14:33:05 ek: (Adds other Siemens to the "Technical Purposes") 14:34:00 mn: There is also TargetV as well as sayWoT!, supporting OPC UA and other protocols 14:34:19 i/There is/subtopic: Siemens TagetV 14:34:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:34:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:35:10 ek: Roman, what are you from TUM going to show? 14:35:24 i/Roman/subtopic: TUM/ 14:35:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:35:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:35:48 rb: Big Robot Arm that is going to interact with hololenses, also Hue devices 14:36:36 ek: Also interesting for standardization: There two alternative security definitions that can be used in one device, but only one is officially documented, quite interesting 14:37:24 fs: Regarding the Hololens, there is the possibility to do visual interactions, but only HTTP is supported at the moment, could also be possible to do mashups 14:37:54 ek: I think the small robot arm and conveyor belt is also interesting for mashup scenarios 14:38:12 subtopic: Luminem 14:38:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:38:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:38:28 ek: Luca, what is the purpose for your devices? 14:38:33 q+ 14:38:51 lb: (is currently away) 14:39:04 subtopic: Armor Safe 14:40:22 q+ 14:40:49 ack j 14:40:51 ack k 14:41:03 i|rmor Safe|jr: I am in contact with him, I am going to operate devices locally, run wot-rust on ESP32, BPi 14:41:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:41:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:41:43 ek: I am in contact with Larry(?) @@@ 14:42:05 ... going to check interoperability with IgniteRetail ControlCenter 14:42:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:42:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:42:49 subtopic: Hitachi 14:43:00 kt: Going to test discovery 14:43:10 subtopic: Thingweb dart_wot 14:43:17 s/Larry(?) @@@/Larry Robinson/ 14:43:32 jr: Going to test interoperability, identify shortcomings and improve implementation 14:43:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:43:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:43:47 subtopic: AI Service integration 14:44:01 mm: @@@ 14:44:19 ek: Generally, we should think about how to link high-level to low-level stuff 14:44:40 ... all possible because of interoperability on the layers below 14:45:11 ... so I would ask if anyone is going to put multiple things together, also considering that we are already testing interoperability 14:45:23 s/subtopic: AI Service integration/subtopic: Intel/ 14:45:35 mm: Can we glue things together ourselves? I was thinking about the retail scenario 14:45:37 s/mm: @@@/mm: AI Service integration/ 14:45:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:45:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:46:19 q+ 14:46:51 ... dealing with an AI-based scenario, working together with Ignite Retail 14:47:27 ... ideal would also be a smart home where you can operate things based on an LLM that reads in TDs 14:48:06 ... complicated to do it more generally, since it is based on Python, therefore I cannot use the Thingweb implementation 14:48:23 ek: There is also wotpy that you could use, it gets updated 14:48:45 mm: Want to keep it as simple as possible, using multiple protocols would be a stretch-goal 14:49:06 q? 14:49:11 ek: We can use sayWoT!, for example, that is acting as sort of a bridge to HTTP 14:49:20 mm: If I could use that it would be ideal 14:49:58 kaz: I think before the actual plugfest, we need to clarify which device fulfills which technical purpose 14:50:18 ek: I think we should add a more detailed description 14:50:35 kaz: We could have a separate markdown file for each one 14:51:02 q- 14:51:04 mm: Could link to that from a shorter description 14:51:45 s/which device/which device (Thing) and which application (Consumer)/ 14:51:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:51:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:51:56 ek: Let's merge this PR one then and create a folder called "Scenarios" where we can put the more detailed descriptions of the scenarios that are to be tested during the plugfest 14:52:16 ... so we can say, let's create one Markdown file per scenario you are working on 14:52:25 s/subtopic: Hitachi/subtopic: Hitachi - revisited/ 14:52:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:52:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:52:58 ... we can pick up the scenario mentioned by Fady for that one 14:52:58 luca_barbato has joined #wot-pf 14:53:17 i/I think before/topic: Next steps/ 14:53:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:53:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:53:25 mm: I think we need a directory under that directory, and then we can link from the main README file 14:53:42 ... and then people can add their own scenarios 14:54:11 ek: (creates a directory and READMME file for a VoiceControl scenario) 14:54:52 ... (adds involved devices and applications) 14:55:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:55:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:55:54 ... (adds a preliminary Mashup Explanation for the scenario, that centers around a "McCool 9000" consumer application) 14:56:06 i|creates a|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2024.11.Munich/Scenarios 2024.11.Munich/Scenarios area| 14:56:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:56:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:56:29 ... okay, I guess there could then be a results section 14:56:45 ah, ok 14:56:54 scribenick: kaz 14:57:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:57:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:57:21 q? 14:57:26 s/ah, ok// 14:58:22 ek: would ask people to create a MD for their scenario like this 14:58:46 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2024.11.Munich/Scenarios/VoiceControl VoiceControl example 14:58:51 q+ 14:59:35 https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2024.11.Munich/Scenarios/VoiceControl/Readme.md 14:59:54 kaz: just to make sure, have you commited your changes to 2024.11.Munich/Readme.md ? 15:00:00 ek: yes (as above) 15:00:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:00:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:00:15 q- 15:00:32 kaz: I'll ask the ECHONET guys about their ideas too 15:00:33 ek: ok 15:00:39 [adjourned] 15:00:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:00:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:00:58 s/adjourned/adjourned; TD call starts at 10mins past/ 15:01:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:01:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:01:42 i|as above|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2024.11.Munich/Readme.md 2024.11.Munich/Readme.md| 15:01:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:01:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:01:52 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2024.11.Munich/Scenarios/VoiceControl/Readme.md|| 15:01:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:01:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:13:46 regrets+ Sebastian 15:13:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:13:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:45:44 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 17:11:05 Zakim has left #wot-pf 17:27:54 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 18:00:40 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot-pf 18:02:01 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot-pf 18:11:14 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 18:33:05 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 19:05:16 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 19:05:34 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 19:21:22 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 19:53:33 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 20:03:02 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 20:13:52 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 20:32:54 JKRhb_ has joined #wot-pf 20:35:13 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 21:04:00 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 21:19:53 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 21:34:01 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 21:52:31 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 22:26:21 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 22:58:32 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 23:21:58 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 23:38:44 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf 23:50:58 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 23:54:37 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-pf