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13:01:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
13:01:31 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster
13:02:21 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
13:02:58 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
13:03:47 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
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13:05:59 <kaz> q?
13:06:06 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
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13:06:28 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#13_November_2024
13:06:35 <kaz> topic: Logistics
13:06:44 <kaz> mm: Plugfest call after ther main call
13:06:56 <kaz> ... Sebastian is not available but Ege will chair the Plugfest
13:07:06 <kaz> topic: IEs
13:07:27 <kaz> mm: Kaz, please send a reminder to the applicant today
13:07:29 <kaz> kaz: ok
13:07:50 <kaz> ... btw, Charith has just joined this call
13:08:06 <kaz> ... we should ask him to become an IE for the WG as well
13:08:11 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:08:32 <kaz> ... (to Charith) this is a joint call of the WoT WG and the WoT IG
13:08:47 <kaz> kaz: I'll send a separate message to you to explain the detail, Charith
13:08:51 <kaz> cp: ok
13:09:03 <kaz> present+ Charith_Perera, Luca_Barbato
13:09:08 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:09:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:44 <kaz> ... would like to get the meeting invites
13:10:00 <kaz> kaz: for that purpose, you need to join the WG/IG officially
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13:10:54 <mahda> present+ Mahda_Noura
13:11:06 <McCool> q+
13:11:10 <McCool> ack m
13:11:13 <McCool> q+
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13:11:14 <McCool> q-
13:11:32 <kaz> mm: please use "q+" command to let us know you want to say something
13:11:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:12:06 <kaz> ... if you want, you can join the Plugfest call right after this call too
13:12:24 <kaz> topic: Minutes
13:12:38 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-minutes.html Nov-6 minutes
13:12:58 <kaz> mm: (give some description about how we handle meeting minutes to Charith)
13:13:05 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:13:14 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:13:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:13:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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13:14:08 <kaz> minutes approved
13:14:32 <kaz> topic: Quick Items
13:14:34 <kaz> (none)
13:14:40 <kaz> topic: Notices
13:14:43 <kaz> (none)
13:14:44 <kaz> topic: Meetups
13:14:50 <kaz> subtopic: WoT CG
13:15:20 <kaz> 14th of November: Web of Things for every thing. Christian Paul. https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/27ccdd67-4ad6-476b-bdc2-b1b48da1995b/
13:15:32 <kaz> 18th of November: Scientific Instrumentation and Control with WoT . CALA Munich from LMU. https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6373e85a-936c-4c9e-8db4-919a9fcc5635/
13:15:34 <kaz> and
13:15:47 <kaz> 3rd of December: Monthly Call https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/04a42553-5164-4db2-a3fb-6de9b96bbc22/20241203T160000/
13:15:52 <kaz> mm: anything else?
13:15:55 <kaz> ek: no
13:16:02 <kaz> subtopic: WoT JP CG
13:16:10 <kaz> tm: planning some event
13:16:15 <kaz> subtopic: Smart Cities
13:16:33 <Charith> Can I remind Michael to send the recording of the F2F MS Teams meeting had with Charith (sorry I didn't take notes expecting to go thought the recorded meeting video again). I cannot directly download from Teams as I'm outside the organisation. might need to download and share separately pls (e.g. dropbox/one drive)
13:16:49 <kaz> kaz: will send a reminder including doodle poll to identify a good slot for the IG's monthly call today
13:17:00 <kaz> subtopic: Cloud-Edge-Client CG
13:17:54 <kaz> mm: we have 5 supporters
13:18:08 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/web-networks/pull/22 proposed Charter
13:18:19 <kaz> mm: smart city is a big use case for that too
13:18:22 <kaz> topic: Liaisons
13:18:45 <kaz> subtopic: ECHONET
13:18:57 <kaz> mm: planning to join the Plugfest in 2 weeks like Conexxus
13:19:10 <kaz> subtopic: Conexxus
13:19:14 <kaz> mm: also join the Plugfest
13:19:18 <kaz> subtopic: OPC
13:19:26 <kaz> ... last meeting on Nov 5
13:19:32 <kaz> ... next one on Nov 19
13:19:46 <kaz> ... may be cancelled due to the Plugfest
13:19:58 <kaz> ... need to talk with Sebastian if you want join the meeting
13:20:00 <kaz> subtopic: ETSI
13:20:16 <kaz> mm: we discussed the PR we approved last time
13:20:51 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1209 PR 1209 - Activate Liaison for ETSI ISG CIM for NGSI-LD
13:21:01 <kaz> mm: got a comment from Ege and Ted
13:21:26 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/11/11-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html Nov-11 minutes
13:21:49 <kaz> mm: we are identifying the scope and deliverables
13:21:54 <kaz> ... would keep the PR itself open
13:22:09 <kaz> q+
13:22:22 <kaz> ... (skims the PR)
13:22:42 <kaz> ... Ted suggests small changes
13:23:52 <kaz> ... the point is that it's still open for discussion
13:24:45 <kaz> ... discussion around deliverables documents on the W3C side and the ETSI side
13:25:04 <kaz> q?
13:25:47 <kaz> ack k
13:26:09 <kaz> kaz: given the discussion during the liaison call, I think we need some more iterations
13:26:45 <kaz> ... so it would be better to once revert this PR itself and keep the draft document under the proposal directory
13:26:53 <kaz> ... and make PRs for that draft document
13:27:01 <kaz> mm: that's possible
13:27:15 <kaz> ... can revert it to the proposal area
13:27:24 <kaz> ... will work till Friday
13:27:42 <kaz> ... would keep the PR itself open for a while
13:28:06 <kaz> ... but will redirect it to the "proposals" directory until we have consensus.
13:28:20 <kaz> ... need to clarify the agenda for the next meeting
13:29:02 <kaz> ... 30min presentation from the ETSI side during the WoT Week on Nov 25
13:29:05 <kaz> q-
13:29:10 <kaz> q+
13:29:47 <kaz> ack k
13:30:16 <kaz> kaz: given some of them are located in Munich, maybe we can have some more detailed discussion about their expectation during WoT Week also
13:30:32 <kaz> ... kind of brainstorming
13:30:39 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:31:09 <kaz> ... basic explanation and brainstorming
13:31:12 <EgeKorkan> q+
13:31:18 <kaz> ... would be related to smart city topics
13:31:58 <kaz> ek: don't think it would be really related to Binding but may be able to be handled by Profile
13:32:01 <kaz> mm: maybe...
13:32:08 <kaz> q?
13:32:10 <kaz> ack e
13:32:11 <kaz> q+
13:32:31 <kaz> ek: anyway more discussion is needed to clarify their ideas
13:32:50 <kaz> mm: there is some particular convention for NGSI-LD
13:32:59 <kaz> ... which would consume TD
13:33:11 <mahda> q+
13:33:21 <kaz> ... some confusion so far about what would be the expected input/output
13:33:53 <kaz> kaz: agree we need some more discussion to clarify their expectation
13:33:55 <kaz> q-
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13:34:13 <kaz> mm: Luca, how do you feel from the Profile viewpoint?
13:34:19 <kaz> ... can you join the liaison call on Monday
13:34:21 <mjk> q?
13:34:35 <kaz> lb: my time is limited for the next month...
13:34:58 <kaz> ... one of the problems is Profile's making small progress
13:35:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:35:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:35:28 <kaz> ... we don't have enough people
13:35:55 <kaz> ... first, we need to clarify what to be done by Profile
13:36:29 <kaz> ... there is agreement on having a possible registry but what kind of registry?
13:36:46 <kaz> mm: how we should logistically connect things with what we already have?
13:37:00 <kaz> ... need to happen before getting more complications
13:37:03 <luca_barbato> s/what kind of registry/no agreement on which profiles enter the registry/
13:37:33 <kaz> q?
13:37:47 <kaz> mn: there is one project @@@
13:38:00 <kaz> ... trying to map WoT TD with NGSI-LD
13:38:13 <kaz> ... think I can make contribution
13:38:27 <mahda> Nephele
13:38:51 <kaz> s/@@@/Nephele/
13:38:59 <kaz> s/ Ne/, Ne/
13:40:09 <kaz> kaz: next meeting will be Dec 9. right?
13:40:19 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:40:52 <kaz> topic: Schedule
13:40:55 <kaz> mm: nothing new
13:41:10 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events meeting schedule
13:41:35 <kaz> mm: calls cancelled the week of Nov 25 due to WoT Week
13:41:55 <kaz> ... will update the W3C Calendar
13:42:28 <kaz> topic: F2F
13:42:33 <kaz> mm: Sebastian is not here
13:42:40 <kaz> ... but there is a dedicated wiki
13:42:54 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_WoT_Week_2024_planning WoT Week wiki
13:43:02 <kaz> q+
13:43:05 <kaz> ack m
13:43:45 <kaz> ack k
13:43:59 <kaz> kaz: participants list at the bottom of the wiki
13:44:11 <kaz> q?
13:44:14 <kaz> q+
13:44:34 <kaz> mm: if you're a WG/IG participant, you can join the F2F part also
13:44:45 <kaz> ... if you're a CG participant, need to be invited
13:45:02 <kaz> ... think Sebastian is organizing the participation
13:45:15 <kaz> ek: organizing the guest for Plugfest
13:45:33 <kaz> mm: for the F2F part, we're working on our standards
13:46:16 <kaz> ... regarding the liaison update slot, we'll have reports from the liaison organizations
13:46:45 <kaz> ... feel free to add new topic proposals for the agenda
13:47:09 <kaz> ... we're getting sure about the Thursday agenda
13:47:18 <kaz> ... but still not sure about the Friday agenda
13:48:50 <kaz> kaz: probably, Siemens should have an actual number of participants for each day
13:49:04 <kaz> ... so would be appreciated if it's shared with the WoT Chairs
13:49:29 <kaz> ... will send a reminder to team-wot list to ask Sebastian also
13:49:48 <kaz> topic: TF Leads
13:50:05 <kaz> mm: still need champions for several TFs
13:50:34 <kaz> ... Security, Discovery, Architecture and Testing
13:50:57 <kaz> ...regarding Use Cases, I'm acting as a second moderator
13:51:05 <kaz> ... had discussion today too
13:51:50 <kaz> ... will have discussion during the TD Slot 2 call tomorrow
13:52:10 <kaz> ... still have 10 open PRs on the wot-thing-description repo
13:52:42 <kaz> ... what about the Scripting call?
13:52:56 <kaz> kaz: cancelled due to lack of participation
13:53:28 <kaz> [main call adjourned; Plugfest call starts at the top of the hour]
13:53:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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