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20:06:55 <simone> Meeting: WebAuthn WG weekly meeting
20:07:44 <simone> Tony: we're going to cancel meetings on 12/04/2024 and 12/15/2024
20:08:57 <nina> > Tony: we're going to cancel meetings on 12/04/2024 and 12/15/2024
20:08:57 <nina> didn't he say 25th? the 15th is a Sunday.
20:10:17 <simone> Topic: Clarify use creating and verifying TPM attestation statements. by mwiseman-byid · Pull Request #2193 · w3c/webauthn
20:11:19 <simone> [Monty explained some concepts about migration]
20:12:13 <simone> Topic: 2194
20:13:54 <simone> Adam: fine for me
20:13:54 <simone> Tim: it is the status quo
20:14:37 <simone> Pascoe: fine to me
20:15:08 <simone> Tony: if anyone any issues, we can merge it
20:16:01 <simone> present+ Monty, Simone, Askshay, Sweeden, Tony, Nina, Adam, Matthew, John, Emil, Jaimin, David_Turner, Pascoe, Tim, David_Waite, Lanchlan
20:16:11 <simone> topic: 2193
20:16:45 <simone> Sweeden: ok for me
20:16:47 <simone> Emil: approved
20:17:54 <simone> Topic: Update Use Cases for L3 by timcappalli · Pull Request #2139 · w3c/webauthn (github.com)
20:18:11 <simone> Tony: it is editorial, we can prioritize before January
20:18:26 <simone> Topic: Cleanup: Manual References by timcappalli · Pull Request #2111 · w3c/webauthn (github.com)
20:18:58 <simone> Tim: this one is the same. It is editorial and to be done later
20:21:12 <simone> Adam: we're going to create the L3 branch, if it is ok
20:24:00 <simone> ... we need to check if all the PRs was applied to the correct branch
20:25:37 <simone> Emil: to solve it, I am going to merge main into L3
20:26:04 <simone> Topic: 2195
20:26:32 <simone> Tony: we agreed that this will be in L3
20:27:37 <simone> Topic: 2186
20:27:42 <simone> Tim: already merged
20:28:22 <simone> Topic: The authenticator may hide the credential even if the RP signals unknown credentials · Issue #2192 · w3c/webauthn
20:29:36 <simone> Nina: in general, the signal api cannot guarantee it. I can answer it but this will not change the spec
20:30:14 <simone> Tim: I agree with you. We should leave it as it is
20:30:43 <simone> Nina: ok I am going to comment, close and tag L3
20:30:54 <simone> Topic: Bit set by the SPC extension should backed up as part of the Public Key Credential Source · Issue #2153 · w3c/webauthn (github.com)
20:31:29 <simone> Tim: this is just a reminder to talk with SPC people, we can close it
20:31:36 <simone> Topic: Allow `platform`-based self attestation with non-zero AAGUID when `AttestationConveyancePreferenceOption` `"none"` is used · Issue #2146 · w3c/webauthn (github.com)
20:32:12 <simone> Tony: is this still valid?
20:33:56 <simone> Matthew: I am not aware of any authenticator that fills into this scenario
20:34:28 <simone> ... who wants to prive attestation when there is no attestation?
20:35:24 <simone> John: self-attestation don't have a GUID
20:36:05 <simone> Sweeden: for the purpose of RP trust, this has no meaning
20:36:27 <simone> present+ Michael_Jones
20:37:12 <simone> John: do we have somewhere that authentication cannot return it?
20:38:01 <simone> Matthew: Is the PR 2150, but it is in the future
20:38:40 <simone> akshay: move to the future is ok for me, with the PR mentioning it
20:39:03 <simone> ... are both platform authenticators and security keys allowed to do that?
20:39:22 <simone> Tim: we decided no, but desire to yes
20:40:34 <simone> John: default behaviour should be a AA GUID
20:42:33 <simone> Tim: going to create a new issue for that
20:42:44 <simone> ...but not committing on PR
20:43:23 <simone> John: can we say that AA GUID must be a 16 zero bytes?
20:43:41 <simone> Emil: removed for platform authentication specifically
20:43:56 <simone> .. it was 2058
20:44:01 <simone> s/../.../
20:45:02 <simone> John: but it not says what is the default
20:45:39 <simone> Akshay: it is on the IDL
20:47:01 <simone> Tim: [sharing screen] looking at the editor's draft as it was merged
20:47:27 <simone> Nina: this is to avoid fingerprinting of the key vendor
20:48:37 <simone> Tim: This is also for spec match
20:48:54 <simone> s/ a GUID/AA GUID/
20:50:50 <simone> John: the word is for the dialog, as discussed at TPAC
20:52:08 <simone> Tim: created issue 2198 to describe the results of the discussion in the call
20:52:55 <simone> Tony: we can approve today or last week
20:54:24 <simone> present+ Mike
20:54:35 <simone> Mike: ok I'll read it, approve and merge
20:55:35 <simone> Emil: I can do a quick PR to remove the sentence, to close 2146 or move to future?
20:55:46 <simone> Topic: 2106
20:56:14 <simone> tony: move to the future?
20:56:20 <simone> Emil: I can comment and close
20:56:31 <simone> Topic: 2059
20:56:57 <simone> Tim: future at this point
20:57:07 <simone> Topic: 2056
20:58:27 <simone> Sweeden: something for browser vendors
20:58:34 <simone> Tony: in the future
20:59:00 <nina> I'll close #2192 during the next meeting, to give OP some time to respond.
20:59:19 <simone> Tony: we are going to close all the technical PRs
21:00:36 <simone> Topic: any objection to go in create a WD, having the Wide Review, then going to Candidate Recommendation?
21:01:52 <simone> Tony: as we all agree and there are no objections, we can go! We'll work on the editorial, and for the technical part, we'll have on L4
21:02:37 <simone> RRSAgent,  make logs public
21:02:45 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:30:16 <simone> s/12/15/2024/12/25/2024/
21:30:21 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:31:15 <simone> s/tony/Tony/g
21:31:48 <simone> s/haveAA/have AA/
21:33:16 <simone> s/Topic: 2186/Topic: Mozilla feedback: Related Origins #2186/
21:33:20 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:34:03 <simone> present+ Akshay
21:34:20 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:35:22 <simone> present- Askshay
21:35:41 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:36:11 <simone> s/akshay/Akshay/
21:37:00 <simone> s|12/15/2024|12/25/2024|
21:37:06 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:37:34 <simone> chair: Tony
21:37:37 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:39:32 <simone> s/Topic: 2195/Drop outdated "Issue 1" from spec #2195/
21:40:28 <simone> s/Topic: 2193/Topic: Clarify use creating and verifying TPM attestation statements. #2193/
21:40:53 <simone> s/Topic: 2194/Topic: Delete authenticatorDisplayName #2194/
21:41:46 <simone> s/Topic: Clarify use creating and verifying TPM attestation statements. by mwiseman-byid · Pull Request #2193/TPM discussion/
21:42:17 <simone> s/TPM discussion/Topic: TPM Clarifications/
21:42:29 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:47:35 <simone> i|Tony: we're going to cancel meetings|Topic: Meetings plan|
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21:48:41 <simone> s/Topic: 2193/Topic: Clarify use creating and verifying TPM attestation statements. #2193
21:48:46 <simone> s/Topic: 2193/Topic: Clarify use creating and verifying TPM attestation statements. #2193/
21:49:09 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:50:40 <simone> s/Topic: 2056/Topic: CollectedClientData serialization is confusing WebIDL and/_r Infra values for ECMAScript values #2056/
21:50:51 <simone> s/Topic: 2056/Topic: CollectedClientData serialization is confusing WebIDL and_or Infra values for ECMAScript values #2056/
21:50:56 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:52:02 <simone> s/Topic: 2059/Topic: Additional guidance or clarification on RP ID and origin validation #2059/
21:52:39 <simone> s/Topic: 2106/Topic: Make AuthenticatorAttestationResponseJSON.publicKeyAlgorithm optional #2106/
21:53:30 <simone> s/Topic: 2193/Topic: Clarify use creating and verifying TPM attestation statements. #2193/g
21:53:32 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:58:24 <simone> s/topic: 2193/Topic: Clarify use creating and verifying TPM attestation statements. #2193/
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21:58:54 <simone> s|Tony: we're going to cancel meetings on 12/04/2024 and 12/15/2024|Tony: we're going to cancel meetings on 12/04/2024 and 12/25/2024|
21:58:56 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:00:50 <simone> i|Tony: we're going to cancel meetings on 12/04/2024 and 12/25/2024|Topic: Canceled Meetings|
22:00:55 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:01:29 <simone> s/Topic: Meetings plan//
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22:02:48 <simone> s/any objection to go in create a/Any objection to/
22:02:53 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:03:36 <simone> s/Any objection to WD/Any objection to publish a Working Draft/
22:03:39 <simone> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:04:50 <simone> s/having the Wide Review, then going to Candidate Recommendation?/ask the Wide Review, then go to Candidate Recommendation?/
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