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13:01:41 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:01:45 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:01:51 <janina> Date: 13 Nov 2024
13:01:55 <janina> Chair: Janina
13:01:59 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:01:59 <janina> agenda+ [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22)
13:02:02 <janina> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
13:02:04 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
13:02:07 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:02:09 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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13:19:44 <matatk> agenda?
13:30:08 <janina> 
13:31:20 <janina> agenda?
13:31:26 <janina> agenda, clear
13:32:27 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:32:27 <janina> agenda+ [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22)
13:32:30 <janina> agenda+ [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
13:32:33 <janina> agenda+ [Explicit Review Requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:32:35 <janina> agenda+ [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html)
13:32:38 <janina> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
13:32:40 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
13:32:43 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:32:45 <janina> agenda+ Be doneagenda?
13:32:55 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
13:32:55 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:33:00 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:33:00 <janina> agenda+ [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22)
13:33:03 <janina> agenda+ [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
13:33:06 <janina> agenda+ [Explicit Review Requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:33:09 <janina> agenda+ [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html)
13:33:11 <janina> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
13:33:14 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
13:33:16 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:33:19 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:33:25 <janina> agenda?
13:36:43 <janina> zakim, drop agendum 2
13:36:43 <Zakim> agendum 2, [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22), dropped
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14:55:20 <janina> present+
14:56:15 <joncohn> present+
14:59:28 <janina> regrets: Fredrik_Fischer, Jennifer_Strickland, Angela_Young, Dr_Keith_Newton, Niklas_Egger, Gottfried_Zimmerman
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15:03:00 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:03:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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15:03:08 <gpellegrino> present+
15:03:41 <matatk> janina: We have streamlined the agenda a bit for time-effectiveness, we will handle any new TF deliverables under this section. TPAC is off the agenda for now - we continue to follow up.
15:03:44 <PaulG> present+
15:03:47 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:05:24 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:05:24 <Zakim> Present: janina, joncohn, Roy_Ruoxi, SteveF, gautierchomel, Demelza, matatk, gpellegrino, PaulG
15:05:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see gpellegrino, kirkwood, Demelza, matatk, SteveF, PaulG, gautierchomel, joncohn, RRSAgent, Zakim, jamesn, janina, gb, dmontalvo, hdv, ada, chrishtr, slightlyoff, vmpstr,
15:05:26 <Zakim> ... jyasskin, Rachael, tink, Roy_Ruoxi, jcraig, tzviya8
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15:09:06 <matatk> zakim, who's here?
15:09:06 <Zakim> Present: janina, joncohn, Roy_Ruoxi, SteveF, gautierchomel, Demelza, matatk, gpellegrino, PaulG
15:09:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see NehaJ, gpellegrino, kirkwood, Demelza, matatk, SteveF, PaulG, gautierchomel, joncohn, RRSAgent, Zakim, jamesn, janina, gb, dmontalvo, hdv, ada, chrishtr, slightlyoff,
15:09:08 <Zakim> ... vmpstr, jyasskin, Rachael, tink, Roy_Ruoxi, jcraig, tzviya8
15:09:09 <matatk> agenda?
15:09:51 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:09:51 <Zakim> Present: janina, joncohn, Roy_Ruoxi, SteveF, gautierchomel, Demelza, matatk, gpellegrino, PaulG
15:09:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see NehaJ, gpellegrino, kirkwood, Demelza, matatk, SteveF, PaulG, gautierchomel, joncohn, RRSAgent, Zakim, jamesn, janina, gb, dmontalvo, hdv, ada, chrishtr, slightlyoff,
15:09:54 <Zakim> ... vmpstr, jyasskin, Rachael, tink, Roy_Ruoxi, jcraig, tzviya8
15:12:59 <NehaJ> present+
15:14:02 <NehaJ> scribe+
15:14:19 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:14:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina]
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15:18:52 <Roy_Ruoxi> a11y-review requests -> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues
15:19:20 <NehaJ> matatk: this has been covered in the last meeting on how we can label issues, but this is not yet closed, will be taken up on next Monday
15:19:36 <matatk> Vibration API: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/215 - we can leave this for now - as per last week. No longer pending.
15:19:58 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:19:58 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Explicit Review Requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:20:30 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/93
15:20:54 <matatk> q+
15:21:03 <NehaJ> Roy_Ruoxi Fredrik has provided a feedback regarding document tone and improvements
15:21:12 <matatk> Fredrik's email: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2024Nov/0006.html
15:21:24 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:21:24 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, NehaJ
15:21:29 <janina> ack ma
15:21:30 <matatk> ack me
15:22:45 <matatk> Issues for the Vision doc: https://github.com/w3c/AB-public/issues/
15:23:35 <NehaJ> matatk: This has already been lodged
15:24:20 <NehaJ> matatk: From accessibility perspective we do not have anything to add
15:24:57 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:24:57 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html) -- taken up [from janina]
15:25:11 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Web Audio API 1.1
15:25:11 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Audio_API_1.1
15:25:11 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/webaudio-1.1/
15:25:17 <NehaJ> Roy_Ruoxi two new documents
15:26:12 <NehaJ> Roy_Ruoxi This is regarding processing and synthesizing audio in web applications
15:26:28 <NehaJ> Roy_Ruoxi This is first public working draft
15:27:00 <matatk> q+
15:27:32 <janina> q?
15:27:40 <janina> ack ma
15:27:42 <NehaJ> ack matatk
15:27:59 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Audio_API
15:30:07 <NehaJ> matatk: Page is heavy, change log is not logged with changes, spec document is not accessible
15:30:42 <matatk> s/is not logged with changes/doesn't include changes from 1.0 to 1.1/
15:30:49 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:31:03 <matatk> q+ to suggest action for janina :-)
15:31:12 <matatk> gb, status
15:31:12 <gb> matatk, the delay is 15, issues are off, names are off, full issues are printed 10 at a time; and no repositories are specified.
15:31:59 <janina> ack ma
15:31:59 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to suggest action for janina :-)
15:33:27 <NehaJ> matatk we can log an issue and raise these concerns with the team
15:34:41 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Audio Session
15:34:41 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Audio_Session
15:34:41 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/audio-session/
15:35:19 <NehaJ> Roy_Ruoxi: this is from media working group
15:35:43 <matatk> action janina: draft issue on Web Audio API 1.1 on different output devices - due in 3 weeks
15:35:59 <matatk> gb, on
15:35:59 <gb> matatk, OK.
15:36:00 <NehaJ> Roy_Ruoxi this is about API surface for controlling how audio is rendered and interacts with other audio playing applications.
15:36:02 <matatk> action janina: draft issue on Web Audio API 1.1 on different output devices - due in 3 weeks
15:36:02 <gb> Sorry, I don't know what repository to use.
15:36:31 <janina> q?
15:36:35 <matatk> gb, use w3c/apa
15:36:35 <gb> matatk, OK.
15:36:37 <matatk> action janina: draft issue on Web Audio API 1.1 on different output devices - due in 3 weeks
15:36:39 <gb> Created -> action #348 https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/348
15:36:59 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:36:59 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:37:27 <NehaJ> PaulG Last week was TPAC meeting
15:37:33 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:37:33 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, NehaJ
15:37:45 <NehaJ> zakim, take up item 7
15:37:45 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions check-in -- taken up [from janina]
15:42:10 <matatk> subtopic: Allow any element to be the child of a custom element (parser weirdness permitting)
15:42:25 <matatk> our tracker: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/213
15:42:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/213 -> Issue 213 Allow any element to be the child of a custom element (parser weirdness permitting) (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [whatwg]
15:42:51 <matatk> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10722#issuecomment-2447933745
15:42:51 <gb> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10722 -> Issue 10722 Allow any element to be the child of a custom element (parser weirdness permitting) (by LeaVerou) [document conformance] [topic: custom elements] [a11y-tracker]
15:50:23 <matatk> subtopic: Masonry - and relayout
15:50:31 <matatk> scribe+
15:52:51 <matatk> matatk: We talked about masonry layout last week; PaulG asked about whether events may be needed for AT to know that accTree has been updated, when rendering has.
15:53:36 <matatk> matatk: I found that the intention is to ensure the accTree matches the masonry layout (which is right). https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/978#issuecomment-2460752849
15:53:37 <gb> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/978 -> Issue 978 CSS reading-flow property (by dizhang168) [Progress: in progress] [Topic: CSS] [Venue: CSS WG] [Focus: API design (pending)] [Focus: Web architecture (pending)] [Focus: Security (pending)] [Focus: Privacy (pending)] [Focus:
15:53:37 <gb> … Accessibility (pending)] [Focus: Internationalization (pending)]
15:53:42 <matatk> gb, issues off
15:53:42 <gb> matatk, OK.
15:54:32 <matatk> matatk: Assuming AT just keeps asking the accTree for e.g. the next element, every time the users uses virtual cursor, and it's efficient to do that. But if cacheing is used, we may need events (would rather that not have to go into a spec though).
15:54:48 <matatk> steve: Should ask AT vendors, event maybe needed
15:55:10 <matatk> PaulG: concerned about the case where user is on item 2, asks for next one, and ends up on 4, due to a relayout.
15:55:18 <PaulG> https://webkit.org/blog/15269/help-us-invent-masonry-layouts-for-css-grid-level-3/
15:56:08 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:56:08 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:56:12 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:56:13 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, NehaJ
15:56:20 <NehaJ> zakim, take up item 8
15:56:20 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Other business -- taken up [from janina]
15:56:32 <matatk> action matatk: Coordination with AT vendors re CSS re-layout and accTree
15:56:39 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:56:46 <NehaJ> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/13-apa-minutes.html NehaJ