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14:33:57 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
14:34:07 <janina> Meeting: WAI-Adapt Teleconference
14:34:16 <janina> Date: 12 Nov 2024
14:34:23 <janina> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
14:34:25 <janina> agenda+ Introduction, logistics, updates as needed
14:34:25 <janina> agenda+ Symbols (Issue 240)
14:34:25 <janina> agenda+ Well Known Destinations
14:34:25 <janina> agenda+ Recruitment
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15:04:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:06:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:06:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introduction, logistics, updates as needed -- taken up [from janina]
15:06:37 <matatk> agenda?
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15:09:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:10:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:10:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We are considering a face to face meeting, London seems a good choice in reasonable reach of most task force members
15:11:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... as discussed, a face-to-face is a chance to get a lot of work done
15:11:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... pre-covid the F2F meetings were more common
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15:17:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: Sponsorship logistics require (a) pencilling in a date (b) a space
15:17:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... We have possibilities for spaces in London area
15:17:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Sponsor usually supplies the food during working hours as well
15:19:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> .. we could invite other people who are nearby
15:22:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we want to avoid Easter 20 April and Passover
15:23:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... so we are narrowing in on late April, early May
15:23:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: The prices go down as well after Easter.
15:27:37 <janina> RESOLVED: Adapt will tentatively meet either 28-30 April or 4-6 May
15:28:24 <matatk> agenda?
15:29:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:29:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:29:10 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Symbols (Issue 240) -- taken up [from janina]
15:29:30 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:45:50 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger:Russell has demonstrated fonts
15:45:53 <matatk> q+ to ask about keys
15:46:08 <matatk> s/ger:R/ger: R/
15:46:29 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Will it be a problem for symbols at the typical 10pt font size?
15:46:39 <janina> Russell: Yes, at 10pts
15:46:49 <matatk> s/demonstrated fonts/demonstrated the creation of a font based on SVG symbols (derived in this case from a bitmap image)/
15:46:58 <matatk> This is awesome work, Russell; thank you!
15:47:07 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:47:46 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Indiscernability at small font sizes not a blocker because symbols font can be rendered at any size
15:47:55 <Annalu> q+ comment on fonts
15:48:26 <janina> present+
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15:48:53 <janina> Janina: Text around the AAC can still be a different font size than the AAC font itself
15:49:22 <janina> q?
15:49:27 <matatk> ack me
15:49:27 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to ask about keys
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15:49:53 <janina> matatk: Fantastic, Russell!
15:50:25 <Russell> q+
15:50:46 <janina> matatk: WHAT believes combined code points can be rendered with fonts as well--but how?
15:50:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: How do we annotate with multiple code points? Can a font support that?
15:51:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: The number of individual symbols is huge
15:51:07 <matatk> s/WHAT b/WHATWG b/
15:51:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... if rendering in font, every symbol will require a separate glyph
15:51:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the sheer number of items is likely underestimated by most people
15:52:45 <matatk> q+
15:53:01 <matatk> ack comment
15:53:01 <Zakim> comment, you wanted to comment on fonts
15:53:29 <matatk> ack Russell
15:53:40 <janina> ack com
15:54:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Related to Annalu's comment, search is not implemented on fonts. It is there for emojis, or Bliss Symbols, but not font glyphs
15:54:37 <Annalu> Sorting is a HUGE issue and I know the Bliss sorting has taken ages to do.
15:55:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: A demo of the Bliss - via - Unicode approach would really help
15:57:43 <matatk> ack me
15:57:49 <matatk> I started this wiki page, where we can catalogue practical examples. It's missing almost everything - the idea is to have headings for each thing we want to demonstrate. Can we edit this in order to add in the test cases we're gong to need to make? It should be a minimal set (so we're done when it's all filled in) but also sufficient to
15:57:49 <matatk> demonstrate/test our concerns: https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Symbols-implementation-tests
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16:01:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
16:01:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Annalu, Russell, matatk
16:01:53 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/12-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
16:02:00 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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