13:57:52 RRSAgent has joined #wot-pf 13:57:56 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-irc 13:59:08 sebastian has joined #wot-pf 13:59:45 Roman has joined #wot-pf 14:00:21 fady has joined #wot-pf 14:01:05 fsalama has joined #wot-pf 14:01:14 fady has left #wot-pf 14:02:34 meeting: WoT Plugfest 14:02:38 chair: Sebastian 14:03:31 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Josh_Thomas, Kunihiko_Toumura, Larry_Robinson, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Robinson, Roman_Binkert, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:03:40 rrsagent, make log public 14:03:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:03:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:04:17 present+ Fady_Salama 14:04:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:04:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:05:09 McCool has joined #wot-pf 14:05:53 luca_barbato has joined #wot-pf 14:06:07 Present+ Josh_Thomas 14:06:12 scribenick: fsalama 14:06:21 present+ David_Ezell 14:06:23 dezell2 has joined #wot-pf 14:06:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:06:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:06:33 present+ David_Ezell 14:06:59 Mizushima has joined #wot-pf 14:07:22 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_06.11.2024 14:07:46 Sebastian Käbisch: Welcome to our Plugfest call 14:07:56 Any new comer? Seems not the case. 14:08:42 Minutes Review 14:09:13 q+ 14:09:46 q- 14:10:06 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/30-wot-pf-minutes.html Oct-30 14:10:06 0MQ is valid, will be left 14:10:13 s/Minutes/topic: Minutes/ 14:10:27 i/Sebastian/topic: Organization/ 14:10:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:10:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:10:48 s/Sebastian /Sebastian_/ 14:10:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:10:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:10:57 We need to discuss the VPN 14:11:11 s/Any new/... Any new/ 14:11:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:11:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:11:20 Mintues are ok, not objections 14:11:24 s/not/no/ 14:11:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:11:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:11:42 topic: Plugfest Plan 14:11:56 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_WoT_Week_2024_planning WoT Week wiki 14:12:07 cris has joined #wot-pf 14:13:44 Sebastian Käbisch: Checking if we can stay the whole day on Tuesday 14:14:45 q+ 14:14:48 s/Sebastian Käbisch/Sebastian/ 14:14:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:14:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:15:35 There will be the need to clean up before the shuttle bus 14:15:43 q+ 14:15:59 s/There/... There/ 14:16:01 David: Is there a way to register additional people to the dinnerß 14:16:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:16:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:16:10 ack d 14:16:23 Sebastian: There are limited places, I need to check 14:17:06 Kaz: Do you mean that the shuttle bus will leave the venue directly? 14:17:16 Sebastian: Yes 14:17:37 Kaz: This means we need to bring our luggage with us 14:18:32 Sebastian: Yes. It is not that far. You can go to hotel if it is near in Garching in the 30 mins 14:18:54 ... if you have to travel to the city center you will lose a lot of time 14:19:15 ... it is a good point, we can arrange a room for luggage 14:20:19 topic: Network 14:20:30 s/dinnerß/dinner/ 14:20:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:20:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:20:39 Sebastian: We already have a meeting 14:20:57 ... Ege can you present? 14:21:49 Ege: I colored things on the ppt to differentiate 14:22:09 i|We already|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2024.11.Munich/Readme.md WoT Week event page on the wot-testing repo| 14:22:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:22:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:22:25 ... You need to login to a certain page to have network, but we configured a router to hide this process 14:22:48 we have Wifi 3.4 and 5 GhZ 14:23:17 Kaz established a W3C VPN 14:23:32 JKRhb has joined #wot-pf 14:23:42 s/Kaz established/... Toumura-san has set up/ 14:23:51 s/we have/... we have/ 14:23:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:23:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:24:03 If you have a Raspberry Pi you can configure it 14:24:28 i|I colored|(Ege shows a diagram on the Plugfest network setup) 14:24:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:24:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:24:46 We have devices in the public internet such as TUM devices etc. 14:24:58 s/If you/... If you/ 14:25:03 s/We have/... We have/ 14:25:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:25:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:25:41 What is not possible if remote consumer wants to communicate with a local device 14:26:13 I need to clarify more things 14:26:42 q+ 14:26:51 If you have a local consumer, you should be able to talk to everything in the network 14:27:13 q+ 14:27:25 q? 14:27:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:27:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:27:54 I hope next week if finish setting up 14:27:54 q+ 14:27:58 s/What is/... What is/ 14:28:04 s/I need to/... I need to/ 14:28:18 Everyone should have static ip addresses for the event 14:28:18 s/If you have a/... If you have a/ 14:28:27 s/I hope/... I hope/ 14:28:44 Sebastian: We need to make sure the router assigns static ips correctly 14:29:42 Kaz: I am not sure local thing and local consumers. They can be connected directly if in the router network? 14:29:47 Ege: Yes 14:29:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:29:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:30:11 q- 14:30:16 Kaz: We need to clarify that we need to connect to the specific router 14:30:19 s/Everyone/... Everyone/ 14:30:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:30:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:30:51 Crisitano: The safest place to be for Things and Consumers is the VPN, correct? 14:31:31 Ege: Yes, This ensures maximum connectivity 14:31:38 s/Kaz: I am not sure local thing and local consumers. They can be connected directly if in the router network?/Kaz: I am not sure local thing and local consumers on VPN. They can be simply directly connected to the Router if they're "local", can't they?/ 14:31:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:31:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:31:47 s/Crisitano/Cristiano/ 14:32:25 but, I will try to make sure that connecting to the router automatically connects to the VPN 14:32:32 s/not sure local thing and local c/not sure about the local Things and the local C/ 14:32:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:32:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:32:49 s/but,/... but,/ 14:32:51 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:32:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:33:14 McCool: If this does not work, what will be plan B? 14:33:33 Ege: I can program a Raspberry Pi to act as a Gateway 14:33:50 q+ 14:34:10 if you want to use your Things that can install VPN client, everything is fine 14:34:27 McCool: There will also be a wired network? 14:34:45 Ege: Yes, with a couple of switches 14:35:08 McCool: Plan C: Can we ssh-tunnel? 14:35:26 ack m 14:35:26 ack c 14:35:32 s/if you want/... if you want/ 14:35:35 Ege: It should be possible but with a lot of overhead 14:35:37 q? 14:35:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:35:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:36:06 Cris: Since we have on router there, do you see it as a bottleneck? 14:36:07 s/Can we ssh/Can we use a ssh/ 14:36:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:36:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:36:16 q+ 14:36:27 s/on router/only one router/ 14:36:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:36:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:36:36 Ege: Didn't test it, but it is a very good router for this setup 14:36:41 q+ 14:36:53 ack m 14:37:01 McCool: if you are using broadcast use it sparingly 14:37:09 q+ 14:37:23 Sebastian: Do not use the network for streaming videos 14:37:28 ack k 14:37:53 q+ 14:38:05 McCool: The exception for the video streams is that we will have an IP Camera 14:38:24 ... we can lower the frame rate to mitigate congestion 14:39:18 ack M 14:39:20 ack k 14:40:29 kaz: technically, we can try adoptive streaming like MPEG-DASH, but simply using lower frame rate is fine 14:40:35 Sebastian: 2 request for everyone joining locally 14:40:40 i|kaz:|scribenick: kaz| 14:40:53 i|2 request|scribenick: fsalama| 14:40:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:40:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:41:03 ... please bring you our LAN cable 14:41:25 s/you our/your own/ 14:41:39 q+ 14:41:40 ... and power extensions 14:42:44 ... if you have a your own Wifi or LAN device, bring one if possible 14:43:00 s/a your/your/ 14:43:59 ack k 14:44:11 Kaz: Regarding AC power, everyone will get their own, right? 14:44:35 s/get their own/get one AC outlet for each/ 14:44:52 Sebastian: Yes 14:45:10 (showing locations on the location map) 14:46:21 q? 14:46:22 Sebastian: This is the first time we organize an event in this building but hopefully everything goes smoothly 14:47:15 One more question regarding VPN: Can we already share information about the VPN? 14:47:25 s/One more/... One more/ 14:47:26 q+ 14:48:15 Ktoumura: It should be stable 14:48:45 Kaz: I already sent an email to the mailing-list. 14:49:01 ... Ege wanted to add more people 14:50:20 Topic: Demo Presentations 14:50:39 Sebastian: There is now a template linked in the wiki 14:50:46 s/mailing-list./mailing list. If you want to add some more people from your organization, please let me know./ 14:50:59 s/Ege/For exampe, Ege/ 14:51:17 s/add more people/add people from the WoT CG./ 14:51:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:51:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:51:32 s/exampe/example/ 14:51:41 (explains ppt structure) 14:52:47 There will be also a poster template, ready for the next week 14:53:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:53:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:53:35 q+ 14:53:35 ack k 14:53:41 ack e 14:53:50 Ege: There are some PRs to merge 14:53:58 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pulls PRs 14:54:32 Ege: 2 people added their devices 14:54:44 i|2people|subtopic: PR 601| 14:54:57 i|2people|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/601 PR 601 - Things and Consumers from WoT CG Call| 14:55:07 ... for one setup no table is assigned 14:55:35 q+ 14:55:36 Sebastian: We have at most one more table 14:55:38 q+ 14:56:19 McCool: The poster can be used to list all scenarios of the table 14:56:57 ack m 14:56:59 ack m 14:57:23 Sebastian: Makes sense to make clusters of topics and put them on same table 14:57:58 ack k 14:58:09 Kaz: All are encourged to clarify their scenarios on the README and the slides as well 14:58:28 s|slides|slide/poster| 14:58:59 s/scenarios/scenarios (including network setting, devices and applications)/ 14:59:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:59:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:59:14 Sebastian: Let us cluster devices next week 14:59:34 i|2 people|subtopic: PR 601| 14:59:45 i|2 people|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/601 PR 601 - Things and Consumers from WoT CG Call| 14:59:46 Ege: I added a TD, validation is not working 14:59:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:59:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:00:19 ... it's a TD for a microscope 15:00:35 Please group devices based on implementation 15:00:46 Sebastian: Any objections to merge this? 15:00:47 https://playground.thingweb.io/ 15:01:30 Ege: This website can be used to validate TDs, use it to validate TDs uploading one 15:01:37 s/Please/... Please/ 15:01:45 i/Any objections/subtopic: PR 599/ 15:02:04 i|Any objections|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/599 PR 599 - Add Open Flexure microscope TD| 15:02:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:02:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:02:38 subtopic: PR 589 15:03:00 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/589 PR 589 - Update vpn_softetherbridge.md : to briged interaface will assiged with physical interface's MAC address. 15:03:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:03:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:03:40 i|thingweb|(PR 599 merged)| 15:04:07 i|subtopic: PR 589|(PR 601 also merged)| 15:04:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:04:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:04:31 (to be discussed next week) 15:04:34 [adjourned] 15:04:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:04:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/06-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 17:16:41 Zakim has left #wot-pf