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15:07:03 <acoburn> zakim, start meeting
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15:07:05 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), acoburn
15:07:11 <acoburn> meeting: Linked Web Storage
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15:08:03 <ericP> agenda+ meeting cadence
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15:08:14 <ericP> agenda+ Use Cases template
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15:09:04 <ericP> topic: Introductions
15:09:06 <acoburn> ack kaefer3000
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15:09:55 <ericP> kaefer3000: I'm Tobias, I'm at Karsleruhe
15:10:17 <pchampin> scribe+
15:10:20 <ericP> ... i'm part of the SoLid symposium steering committe
15:10:21 <acoburn> ack uvdsl
15:10:47 <AZ> s/Karsleruhe/Karlsruhe/
15:11:04 <ericP> uvdsl: I'm Christoph
15:11:24 <ericP> ... I'm a student of Tobias
15:11:49 <acoburn> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/04-lws-minutes.html acoburn
15:12:22 <acoburn> q?
15:12:32 <acoburn> ack kaefer
15:12:42 <TallTed> present+
15:12:44 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Linked Web Storage WG -- 2024-11-04 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20241104T100000/
15:12:48 <acoburn> ack timbl
15:13:11 <ericP> timbl: I'm Tim Berners-Lee
15:13:22 <ericP> ... working on making the Web R/W
15:13:51 <ericP> ... day job is with Inrupt but spend lots of time in open source world, e.g. SoLid OS
15:13:56 <acoburn> chair: acoburn
15:14:06 <acoburn> topic: Meeting cadence
15:14:08 <ericP> Zakim, next agendu
15:14:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next agendu', ericP
15:14:46 <timbl> Zakim, next agenda?
15:14:46 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, timbl.
15:14:58 <pchampin> acoburn: last week we talked about the meeting cadence.
15:15:08 <pchampin> ... The charter says "every 2 weeks", but we have a lot to do in 2 years.
15:15:29 <acoburn> Proposed: The lws working group will meet weekly rather than every other week.
15:15:44 <pchampin> ... We have an initial vote on the proposal above last week, but didn't conclude that vote.
15:15:50 <csarven> q+
15:15:59 <acoburn> ack csarven
15:16:29 <timbl> Yes i think that is good idea to meet everyweek
15:16:41 <pchampin> q+
15:16:50 <acoburn> ack pchampin
15:17:51 <ericP> pchampin: reading last minutes, i saw the possibility of changing the time to aid folks in other timezones
15:18:24 <ericP> ... perhaps we can have an Asia-Pacific-friendly meetring every now and then
15:18:34 <pchampin> csarven: +1 to pchampin's suggestion, that address my concerns.
15:18:48 <pchampin> ... +1 also to a weekly meeting.
15:19:24 <pchampin> ... Processwise, it would be good to make an announcement to the participants to ask if they want another time.
15:19:47 <jacoscaz> q+
15:19:48 <pchampin> ... If only the people in the meeting are making the decisions, this may not be representative.
15:19:55 <acoburn> ack jacoscaz
15:20:25 <pchampin> jacoscaz: +1 to what csarven said.
15:20:38 <pchampin> ... In my case, I should be able to join most meeting, but I can't guarantee that I can attend them all.
15:20:52 <pchampin> ... It would be good to give people who can't attend an additional week to comment on decisions.
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15:21:06 <csarven> present- Have to run now =) Thanks.
15:21:37 <pchampin> acoburn: as a matter of principle, when big decisions are taken, there need to be a provision for async participants as well.
15:21:53 <pchampin> ... We need to strike a balance between being reactive and giving time for sufficient feedback.
15:22:29 <acoburn> Proposed: The lws working group will meet weekly rather than every other week, with one meeting per month to accommodate different timezones
15:22:39 <pchampin> ... I think there are 2 parts to the proposal, let me revise it.
15:23:18 <pchampin> ... the proposal is to meet weekly, with a monthly slot, TBD, to accomodate other timezones
15:23:20 <pchampin> +1
15:23:23 <cpn> +1
15:23:30 <uvdsl> +1
15:23:33 <jacoscaz> +1
15:23:38 <AZ> +1
15:23:39 <jeswr> +1
15:23:39 <kaefer3000> +1
15:23:40 <eBremer> +1
15:23:41 <ericP> +1
15:23:43 <TallTed> +1
15:23:44 <ryey> +1
15:24:33 <pchampin> acoburn: could someone send a message to the group to ask for input on an alternative timezone?
15:24:39 <pchampin> ... meetings would still be on monday.
15:25:14 <pchampin> jacoscaz: hesitating because this is my 1st WG, but I'm happy to do it.
15:25:30 <acoburn> RESOLVED: The lws working group will meet weekly rather than every other week, with one meeting per month to accommodate different timezones
15:25:45 <pchampin> a+
15:25:47 <pchampin> q+
15:25:50 <pchampin> s/a+/
15:26:17 <acoburn> ACTION: jacoscaz to send email to lws list asking about alternative times
15:26:25 <ericP> ack next
15:26:54 <ericP> pchampin: re managment of actions, we could invite another bot which records actions as GH issues.
15:27:07 <ericP> ... we're using it in RDF-star
15:27:36 <ericP> ... currenlty, the only recording of actions is in the minutes
15:27:52 <TallTed> +1 create github issues for each action (for tracking)
15:27:56 <pchampin> acoburn: right now we are not doing a lot of work in github, but I can see more value in that later.
15:28:04 <pchampin> ... let's defer this decision.
15:28:22 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:28:22 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- meeting cadence -- taken up [from ericP]
15:28:24 <acoburn> topic: Use cases template
15:28:27 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:28:27 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, ericP
15:28:45 <TallTed> Zakim, close item 1
15:28:45 <Zakim> agendum 1, meeting cadence, closed
15:28:46 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:28:46 <Zakim> 2. Use Cases template [from ericP]
15:28:54 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:28:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Use Cases template -- taken up [from ericP]
15:28:55 <TallTed> Zakim, next item
15:28:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, TallTed
15:30:08 <acoburn> -> https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs/pull/5 Use Cases Template
15:30:18 <pchampin> s|agendum 1 -- meeting cadence -- taken up [from ericP]|
15:30:35 <pchampin> acoburn: Laurens has created a use-case template, there were a few comments.
15:31:12 <pchampin> ... csarven has a review as well, but he had to leave already. Other comments?
15:31:49 <pchampin> timbl: I have a general question. Is there only one level when we are talking about use-cases?
15:32:10 <pchampin> ... Some use-cases are "you should be able to use the protocol for medical data", very high level.
15:32:24 <ericP> q+ to talk about LDP Use Cases
15:32:55 <pchampin> ... Other uses-cases involved scenarios, persona... Different characteristics.
15:33:13 <acoburn> ack ericP
15:33:13 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to talk about LDP Use Cases
15:33:17 <pchampin> ... What level are those use-cases expected to be?
15:33:19 <AZ> s/uses-cases/use-cases
15:33:43 <pchampin> ericP: I wanted to bring up the Linked Data Platform use-cases.
15:34:09 <pchampin> ... because a) they are also about a protocol, and b) they provide a base.
15:34:55 <pchampin> ... They contain a high level business case, then a more technical part from which requirements can be extracted.
15:35:35 <pchampin> timbl: can a business case be any level? Or you start high level, then get into details.
15:36:07 <pchampin> acoburn: TallTed, thanks also for your comments.
15:36:22 <pchampin> ... We are not going to get this merged today, but I would like people to look at this.
15:36:40 <pchampin> ... We don't need this template to be perfect, but as use-cases come on, I would like them to have some kind of consistent structure.
15:37:04 <pchampin> ... Imposing some kind of structure would improve the quality of use-cases.
15:37:15 <ericP> q+
15:37:22 <acoburn> ack ericP
15:37:25 <ericP> q+ to propose drafting a couple examples
15:37:29 <ericP> ack ericP
15:37:29 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose drafting a couple examples
15:38:01 <pchampin> ericP: rather than looking at the template, it might be easier to use it to encode some of the TPAC use-cases,
15:38:23 <pchampin> ... then let the editors of the UC document adjust the template.
15:38:43 <pchampin> ... And let them approve the PR when they feel it is good.
15:39:22 <pchampin> acoburn: please write a proposal.
15:40:23 <ericP> PROPOSAL: let Adrian Z approve pr#5 and/or modify the Use Case template as he (or other editors) see fit
15:40:37 <acoburn> s/Adrian/Hadrian/
15:41:00 <acoburn> +1
15:41:14 <pchampin> +1
15:41:15 <ericP> +1
15:41:16 <eBremer> +1
15:41:18 <jacoscaz> +1
15:41:22 <TallTed> +1
15:41:32 <hadrian> +1
15:41:34 <AZ> +1
15:41:45 <cpn> +1
15:41:49 <jeswr> +1
15:41:51 <kaefer3000> +1
15:41:57 <uvdsl> +1
15:42:13 <timbl> +1
15:42:15 <ryey> +1
15:42:22 <ericP> RESOLVED: let Adrian Z approve pr#5 and/or modify the Use Case template as he (or other editors) see fit
15:42:31 <acoburn> s/Adrian/Hadrian/
15:43:06 <pchampin> acoburn: that does it for what we have on the agenda; with a weekly cadence, our next meeting would be next monday.
15:43:22 <timbl> present-
15:43:45 <pchampin> ... Please note that the US is out of DST, so the meeting time will remain consistent from one week to the other now (unlikes last week).
15:43:51 <pchampin> ... Any closing remarks?
15:43:56 <pchampin> [crickets]
15:43:59 <ericP> Zakim, please draft minutes
15:43:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please draft minutes', ericP
15:44:07 <pchampin> ... Then we can adjourn early. Thanks everyone for joining.
15:44:08 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:44:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/04-lws-minutes.html ericP
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15:45:31 <pchampin> s|agendum 2 -- Use Cases template -- taken up [from ericP]|
15:45:55 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:45:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/04-lws-minutes.html pchampin
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15:47:24 <pchampin> i|I'm Tobias|scribe+ eric
15:47:29 <pchampin> i|I'm Tobias|scribe+ ericP
15:47:36 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:47:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/04-lws-minutes.html pchampin
15:49:22 <pchampin> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20241104T100000/#agenda
15:49:23 <agendabot> pchampin, sorry, I did not recognize any agenda in https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20241104T100000/#agenda
15:50:24 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:50:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/04-lws-minutes.html pchampin
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