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14:41:48 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:41:53 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:42:00 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/bc275b6e-6c38-4ed5-b324-6606a0c6cca7/20241031T150000/
14:42:00 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:42:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:42:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:42:02 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:42:04 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:42:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
14:42:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/31-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:42:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Specdev PRs
14:42:12 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:43:05 <addison> agenda+ Working with Time and Timezones as DNOTE?
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14:50:11 <addison> agenda+ Issue 599
15:00:21 <addison> present+
15:00:29 <addison> present+ Atsushi
15:02:50 <addison> present+ Bert, Ben Allen, Fuqiao
15:02:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/31-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:03:57 <addison> present+ Richard, JcK
15:04:37 <atsushi> scribe+
15:04:39 <addison> agenda?
15:04:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:05:00 <xfq> present+
15:05:07 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:05:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/31-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:05:18 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:05:18 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
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15:05:29 <addison> #137
15:05:31 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/137 -> Action 137 Create new meeting series in the W3C calendar (on xfq)
15:05:50 <addison> close #137
15:05:51 <gb> Closed -> issue #137 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/137
15:05:56 <addison> #135
15:05:57 <atsushi> addison: added action to xfq, and edited calendar event, so done #137
15:05:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
15:06:14 <atsushi> addison: will have chat next week for #135
15:06:14 <addison> #134
15:06:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/134 -> Action 134 file an issue about making input respect locale (on aphillips) due 2024-10-05
15:06:26 <addison> #131
15:06:26 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/131 -> Action 131 follow up on input-events action (on aphillips)
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15:06:35 <atsushi> addison: #131 done
15:06:39 <addison> close #131
15:06:41 <gb> Closed -> issue #131 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/131
15:06:48 <addison> #128
15:06:49 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/128 -> Action 128  perform review of issues for inclusion in specdev (on xfq) due 2024-09-30
15:07:00 <atsushi> xfq: #128 not yet
15:07:05 <addison> #127
15:07:05 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
15:07:22 <addison> #125
15:07:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/125 -> Action 125  propose creating a UTR for text-emphasis skip if we can get help with maintain (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
15:07:43 <atsushi> addison: #125 done, but wait for next CSS+i18n call for confirmation
15:07:44 <addison> #114
15:07:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/114 -> Action 114  read through i18n-activity#1659 and report on whether we're satisfied (on r12a) due 2024-08-22
15:08:02 <addison> #90
15:08:02 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90  steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
15:08:12 <addison> #89
15:08:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
15:08:22 <addison> #33
15:08:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
15:08:32 <addison> #8
15:08:33 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
15:08:40 <addison> #7
15:08:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
15:08:54 <addison> #4
15:08:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
15:08:58 <atsushi> addison: done some clean ups on repo, not see any other
15:09:16 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:09:16 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:09:35 <atsushi> addison: did have unicode technical workshp, xfq was there
15:09:48 <atsushi> ... presentation about string-meta, received good feedbacks
15:09:59 <atsushi> ... linking with our groups
15:10:08 <atsushi> ... also some conversation on message format there
15:10:20 <atsushi> xfq: good event, met with lots of people
15:10:52 <atsushi> ... lightweight event, exchanged email with some for like joining to WG
15:10:58 <atsushi> ... will discuss with them
15:11:40 <atsushi> addison: good for recruting for our activities, also I've chatted with several colleagues
15:12:29 <xfq> q+
15:13:44 <addison> ack next
15:14:30 <atsushi> xfq: chatted with credential colleagues on slack for review, and requesting review on FPWD
15:14:42 <atsushi> ... guided them for review
15:14:53 <atsushi> ... they may try to use FPWD one
15:15:06 <atsushi> addison: did some review, also they marked self review with tracker
15:16:36 <atsushi> ... add some template to follow these?
15:16:37 <addison> action: xfq: add text to the issue templates to clarify what to use when
15:16:44 <gb> Created -> action #138 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/138
15:16:47 <atsushi> xfq: would do
15:16:54 <addison> agenda?
15:17:01 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:17:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:17:09 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
15:18:00 <atsushi> xfq: can take EPUB 3.3
15:18:26 <atsushi> bert: will take media capabilities
15:18:57 <atsushi> atsushi: take picture in picture
15:19:41 <atsushi> addison: will take Vision document
15:19:55 <atsushi> ... also already working on FedCM
15:20:14 <atsushi> addison: any waiting comment resolution?
15:20:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:20:19 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:20:43 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
15:20:59 <atsushi> addison: some for FedCM spec
15:21:02 <addison> #1927
15:21:03 <gb> Issue 1927 not found
15:21:09 <addison> i18n-activity#1927
15:21:10 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1927 -> Issue 1927 Add a further explanation of `ltr` and `rtl` (based on ePub). (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:rdf-concepts]
15:21:43 <atsushi> addison: this is PR from rdf colleagues, if no other comment, will mark as tracker and close
15:21:44 <addison> i18n-activity#1924
15:21:45 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1924 -> Issue 1924 ContactAddress 'region' inconsistencies (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:contact-picker] [wg:das] [wg:webapps]
15:22:12 <atsushi> addison: some from contact picker
15:22:41 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:22:41 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Issue 599 -- taken up [from addison]
15:22:46 <addison> i18n-activity#599
15:22:47 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/599 -> Issue 599 highly detailed text in video content (by stpeter) [pending] [tracker] [s:mst-content-hint] [wg:webrtc] [Agenda+]
15:23:17 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/mst-content-hint/issues/35
15:23:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/mst-content-hint/issues/35 -> Issue 35 highly detailed text in video content (by aphillips) [Ready for PR] [i18n-tracker]
15:23:50 <atsushi> addison: propose to do as needs-resolution
15:24:31 <atsushi> xfq: +1
15:24:39 <atsushi> atsushi: +1
15:24:43 <r12a> +1
15:24:45 <atsushi> addison: will change label
15:25:07 <addison> agenda?
15:25:17 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:25:17 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Working with Time and Timezones as DNOTE? -- taken up [from addison]
15:25:31 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2024OctDec/0029.html
15:25:46 <addison> The old doc: https://www.w3.org/TR/timezone
15:25:46 <addison> The new version: https://w3c.github.io/timezone
15:26:09 <atsushi> addison: timezone spec, find new version have large change
15:26:53 <atsushi> xfq: republish with note status?
15:27:14 <atsushi> r12a: draft or not
15:28:39 <atsushi> addison: do we want to publish v2 now, or draft?
15:28:56 <atsushi> r12a: state for no, long time elapsed
15:29:24 <atsushi> addison: republish with warning box in-line?
15:31:14 <Bert> (The Process doc says very little about (Draft) Notes, but it says ‘Both Notes and Draft Notes can be updated by republishing as a Note or Draft Note.’ without ‘respectively’, so I think they can be republised with either status.)
15:31:42 <atsushi> r12a: will go through and see any issue
15:32:02 <atsushi> ... for addison
15:32:09 <addison> action: addison: review old timezone note to ensure all content is present and accounted for
15:32:10 <gb> Created -> action #139 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/139
15:32:14 <atsushi> s/will /add action to/
15:32:21 <atsushi> s/action to/action to /
15:33:05 <atsushi> r12a: we should check before any publication
15:34:26 <atsushi> addison: will check for next week, and evaluate any missing point or correction
15:34:49 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:34:49 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Specdev PRs -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:35:10 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/145
15:35:10 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/145 -> Pull Request 145 Allow Ruby use in non-CJKM languages (by jyasskin) [Agenda+] [Best Practice] [normative]
15:35:10 <atsushi> addison: take a look at PRs
15:35:39 <atsushi> addison: #145, proposal to make text less CJKM restrictive on ruby use case
15:35:40 <gb> Issue 145 not found
15:36:41 <atsushi> addison: discussed before,,,
15:37:31 <atsushi> r12a: use in these language are prioritized, but what mean by this change?
15:39:35 <atsushi> xfq: prioritized part is not clear
15:39:45 <addison> Ruby markup in HTML is designed primarily for Chinese, <a data-cite="jlreq#usage_of_ruby">Japanese</a>, Korean, and Mongolian requirements. Note that ruby is also sometimes used to associate annotations with text in other languages. However, specifications should avoid proposing new uses for it.
15:40:30 <atsushi> addison: proposal above
15:40:36 <atsushi> r12a: like last sentence
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15:41:28 <atsushi> addison: like pulling out from masterd? or something else?
15:41:38 <atsushi> ... for middle part
15:42:24 <Bert> s/masterd/mustard/
15:43:07 <atsushi> [ruby for phonetic or not, another mechanism or?]
15:44:08 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/blog/201708.html#20190304
15:45:55 <atsushi> xfq: what jeffery means was ruby display style is different from markup
15:46:08 <addison> Ruby markup in HTML is designed primarily for Chinese, <a data-cite="jlreq#usage_of_ruby">Japanese</a>, Korean, and Mongolian requirements. While sometimes used in other languages, such annotation generally should use other mechanisms. Specifications should avoid proposing new uses for Ruby.
15:46:31 <atsushi> r12a: was no answer for what happens when it is use with non-CJK
15:46:46 <atsushi> addison: how about proposal above again?
15:47:11 <addison> Annotation in other languages should use other mechanisms.
15:48:03 <atsushi> addison: propose change to this PR?
15:48:21 <atsushi> [all agreed]
15:48:35 <addison> action: addison: reply to specdev 145 including proposal discussed in telecon
15:48:38 <gb> Created -> action #140 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/140
15:48:49 <atsushi> r12a: use word 'semantics'
15:49:11 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/146
15:49:12 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/146 -> Pull Request 146 Fix examples (by aphillips)
15:49:52 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/146/files
15:50:04 <atsushi> addison: resolves comment from i18n activity in hebrew
15:50:39 <addison> https://deploy-preview-146--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#sec_dir_defs
15:56:11 <addison> https://deploy-preview-146--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#rlmlrm
15:56:51 <atsushi> [on examples in non-English]
15:58:59 <addison> https://deploy-preview-146--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#example-1
15:59:23 <atsushi> addison: add "you will be expected to show" but "...." or something
16:00:00 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/142
16:00:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/142 -> Pull Request 142 Add a note about EGCs (by aphillips)
16:00:39 <atsushi> addison: extending graphime cluster one
16:03:54 <xfq> https://deploy-preview-142--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#characters
16:05:44 <atsushi> addison: it's introducing front
16:06:09 <atsushi> r12a: example 4 caption should alter language
16:09:46 <atsushi> addison: here, trying to address comments without touching what UTC doesn't touch
16:10:16 <atsushi> ... will go back through original text for corner cases
16:12:44 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-characters/index.en.html#characters
16:14:11 <atsushi> [about examples]
16:15:33 <addison> agenda?
16:15:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
16:15:39 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:16:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/31-i18n-minutes.html addison