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12:55:42 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina_
12:55:48 <janina_> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
12:55:59 <janina_> Date: 30 Oct 2024
12:58:36 <janina_> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:58:36 <janina_> agenda+ [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22)
12:58:39 <janina_> agenda+ [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
12:58:42 <janina_> agenda+ [Explicit Review Requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
12:58:52 <janina_> agenda+ [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html)
12:58:52 <janina_> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
12:58:52 <janina_> agenda+ Actions check-in
12:58:52 <janina_> agenda+ Other business
12:58:54 <janina_> agenda+ Be done
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13:39:12 <matatk> agenda?
13:39:34 <matatk> present_
13:39:37 <matatk> present_
13:39:42 <matatk> present+
13:39:46 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:42:22 <matatk> agenda?
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14:00:45 <mike_beganyi> present+
14:00:57 <matatk> agenda?
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14:01:03 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:01:10 <janina_> agenda?
14:01:10 <Fazio> present+
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14:01:18 <janina_> Chair: Matthew
14:02:12 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
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14:03:39 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:03:39 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina_]
14:04:20 <niklasegger> zakim, close this item
14:04:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:04:21 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:04:21 <Zakim> 2. [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22) [from janina_]
14:04:24 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:04:24 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22) -- taken up [from janina_]
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14:04:54 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Publishing Maintenance Working Group Recharter
14:04:54 <Roy_Ruoxi> - charter: https://w3c.github.io/publ-maintenance-wg-charter/
14:04:54 <Roy_Ruoxi> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/481
14:04:59 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: No new charter this week, but follow up to last week.
14:05:20 <janina> present+
14:06:40 <matatk> Minutes from last week on this: https://www.w3.org/2024/10/23-apa-minutes#0795
14:06:55 <niklasegger> matatk: I forgot to ask this question: Someone from the group told me they were expecting more future changes but we were still asked for the review. Due to the confusion, I wanted to ask the group again
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14:07:07 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: I think we already can review it now
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14:09:03 <niklasegger> janina: I volunteer to look at this charter, need a few days for this.
14:09:30 <niklasegger> matatk: Due day is next week, so we need to keep this in our mind
14:09:42 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:09:42 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina_]
14:09:55 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Allow any element to be the child of a custom element (parser weirdness permitting)
14:09:55 <Roy_Ruoxi> - issue: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10722
14:13:05 <JenStrickland> q+
14:13:16 <niklasegger> matatk: Seeing this for the first time, but I see Lea and Dominic in this thread with good points. I can't immediatly think of a show stopping issue here, still cautious if we lose information this way?
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14:14:14 <Fredrik> present+
14:15:24 <niklasegger> PaulG: I think it's the right idea and want to see this go on, but there will be of course future work for ARIA and browser vendors for the mapping
14:16:07 <niklasegger> matatk: I think we have the beginning of a comment here. I will add our points to the GitHub issue thread
14:16:21 <matatk> q?
14:16:39 <janina> q?
14:17:54 <niklasegger> Gottfried: We need to keep ordered list, unordered list and description list in mind here
14:18:14 <matatk> ack JenStrickland
14:18:33 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:18:33 <Zakim> Present: janina_, matatk, mike_beganyi, Fazio, niklasegger, janina, JenStrickland, Fredrik
14:18:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see niklasegger, matatk, JenStrickland, janina, Gottfried, Fazio, PaulG, mike_beganyi, RRSAgent, Zakim, kirkwood, gb, dmontalvo, hdv, ada, chrishtr, slightlyoff, vmpstr,
14:18:35 <Zakim> ... jyasskin, Rachael, tink, Roy_Ruoxi, jcraig, tzviya8
14:18:45 <niklasegger> JenStrickland: Guidance on custom elements vs native elements is in my opinion important here. When to use what
14:18:56 <janina> Would also like to hear Steve F on this topic ...
14:20:18 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/TR/design-principles/ (maybe something in there about when to use custom elements)
14:20:42 <matatk> q?
14:20:46 <niklasegger> matatk: Very good points here. To answer JenStrickland: I think there might be something in the web plattform design principles. I will look into this
14:22:09 <niklasegger> matatk: I will assign myself to the tracking issue
14:23:00 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:23:00 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Explicit Review Requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina_]
14:23:13 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Vision for W3C
14:23:13 <Roy_Ruoxi> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/93
14:23:13 <Roy_Ruoxi> - Note: https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/NOTE-w3c-vision-20241018/
14:24:15 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: Important document, would like feedback on this one
14:24:51 <niklasegger> matatk: Would any of us like to review it?
14:25:04 <niklasegger> Fredrik: I will do it.
14:25:13 <JenStrickland> I'm already giving it a review for PWE, as well. Good coverage!
14:25:49 <matatk> q?
14:25:57 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: WebXR Gamepads Module Level 1
14:25:57 <Roy_Ruoxi> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/30
14:25:57 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebXR_Gamepads_Module_-_Level_1
14:25:57 <Roy_Ruoxi> - ping: https://github.com/immersive-web/webxr-gamepads-module/issues/61
14:25:58 <Roy_Ruoxi> - self-review: https://github.com/immersive-web/webxr-gamepads-module/issues/55
14:26:39 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: We reviewed it in 2022. They gave us new feedback recently
14:27:37 <niklasegger> matatk: I'm happy to do this one, because I did the first review
14:28:43 <matatk> q?
14:29:00 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:29:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:29:28 <janina> regrets+ dfeltham
14:29:34 <janina> regrets+ Angela_Young
14:29:41 <janina> regrets+ Dr_Keith
14:32:02 <matatk> subtopic: The user must be able to disable use of the Vibration API
14:32:20 <matatk> Proposed issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/215
14:32:52 <niklasegger> matatk: Another topic: When we do spec reviews, we take a good look at the documents, but this process takes sometimes a lot of time. There are situation where this is a sort bottleneck. I would like to address this. See my proposed idea:  https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/215
14:37:00 <janina> q+ to suggest inserting RFC2119
14:37:32 <niklasegger> matatk: A template for creating issues already exists, we can use this. I will also create a wiki entry with guidance
14:37:34 <Fazio> +1 to Matthews comment
14:37:48 <PaulG> +1
14:37:52 <mike_beganyi> +1 also
14:37:57 <Gottfried> +1
14:38:16 <Roy_Ruoxi> +1
14:38:18 <JenStrickland> I'm struggling with absorbing all the content, so trusting y'all. I did hear a few things that sounded on-target. :)
14:38:21 <JenStrickland> +1
14:38:45 <niklasegger> (matatk showing his VIbration API comment, asks if it is okay)
14:38:45 <niklasegger> +1
14:39:00 <janina> ack ja
14:39:00 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to suggest inserting RFC2119
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14:40:53 <matatk> Do you approve of the proposed APA comment on Vibration API?
14:40:55 <matatk> +1
14:40:57 <JenStrickland> +1
14:40:59 <niklasegger> +1
14:40:59 <janina> +1
14:41:01 <mike_beganyi> +1
14:41:03 <Roy_Ruoxi> +1
14:45:40 <niklasegger> (matatk going over the issue template/process and explaining the steps)
14:46:16 <matatk> Here are i18n's instructions (which we will adopt and adapt for APA WG repos etc.): https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/guidelines/review-instructions.html#writeup-issue
14:46:58 <mike_beganyi> q+
14:48:22 <mike_beganyi> ack me
14:48:27 <niklasegger> mike_beganyi: Where do we give "official" feedback on comments like yours here (Vibration API)
14:49:20 <niklasegger> matatk: Either here on the call or through Cfc. You can also comment on the list or through a comment/ thumps up on the tracking issue
14:49:40 <matatk> q?
14:49:45 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:49:45 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html) -- taken up [from janina_]
14:49:54 <niklasegger> nothing new
14:49:58 <niklasegger> zakim, close this item
14:49:58 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:49:59 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:49:59 <Zakim> 6. [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) [from janina_]
14:50:01 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:50:01 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from janina_]
14:50:37 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4165, https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10605, https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9793, https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10674
14:50:48 <niklasegger> PaulG: There are four issues, which haven't been discussed yet.
14:52:54 <niklasegger> matatk: Any news on the TPAC issues?
14:52:59 <niklasegger> PaulG: Nothing new
14:53:00 <matatk> q?
14:53:03 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:53:03 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions check-in -- taken up [from janina_]
14:53:07 <mike_beganyi> q+
14:54:02 <niklasegger> mike_beganyi: I think I was assigned to an issue, but unfortunately I didn't get a proper notification
14:54:14 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/92 - mike_beganyi
14:54:20 <JenStrickland> Reviewing https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10605 I do see a concern that if an image or video is loading and causes a page shift that is an accessibility issue, as well as an issue for web performance.
14:56:46 <matatk> q?
14:56:58 <mike_beganyi> ack me
14:58:09 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:58:09 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Other business -- taken up [from janina_]
14:58:17 <niklasegger> zakim, close this item
14:58:17 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
14:58:18 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:58:18 <Zakim> 9. Be done [from janina_]
14:58:21 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:58:21 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Be done -- taken up [from janina_]
14:58:34 <niklasegger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/30-apa-minutes.html niklasegger
14:58:50 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:58:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina_, matatk, mike_beganyi, Fazio, niklasegger, janina, JenStrickland, Fredrik
14:58:50 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:58:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/30-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:58:56 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:01:36 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:01:36 <RRSAgent> I see no action items