13:56:39 RRSAgent has joined #ngsi 13:56:44 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/10/28-ngsi-irc 13:57:38 meeting: WoT and NGSI-LD 13:57:47 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 13:59:49 present+ Michael_McCool, Martin_Bauer 14:00:07 McCool has joined #ngsi 14:00:29 martin has joined #ngsi 14:02:10 presetn+ Michael_Koster 14:02:21 s/prestn/present/ 14:02:28 present+ Rigo_Wenning 14:02:47 topic: Previous minutes 14:03:24 mjk has joined #ngsi 14:03:44 s/topic: Previous minutes// 14:03:49 topic: Logistics 14:04:08 mm: sorry we had to cancel the previous call 2 weeks ago due to the overlapping WoT CG call 14:04:21 ... we'll avoid this kind of confusion in the future 14:04:48 ... let's confirm the daylight saving change for 2 weeks 14:05:23 [ European Summer Time started yesterday; US Daylight Saving will start on Nov 3 ] 14:05:39 -> https://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html Daylight Saving changes 14:06:11 scribenick: mjk 14:06:20 i/sorry we/scribenick: kaz/ 14:06:27 topic: Minutes 14:06:38 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/13-ngsi-minutes.html Se-13 14:06:44 s/Se-/Sep-/ 14:08:14 kaz: any problems wkith the minutes? 14:08:24 s/wkith/with 14:08:34 mm: there is a typo 14:09:14 can we approve the minutes? 14:09:24 s/can/kaz: can 14:09:47 topic: Liaison table 14:09:48 mm: we would like to start with deliverables and logistics 14:10:24 -> https://www.w3.org/liaisons/#ETSI Liaison table (ETSI) 14:10:24 kaz: first liaison table 14:10:51 present+ Ken_Zangelin 14:11:41 topic: logistics 14:11:50 kaz: I'll send a reminder to Juanjo and ask him to create a W3C account 14:11:59 mm: how do we organize agendas and documents? 14:12:11 i/I'll/scribenick: kaz/ 14:12:22 i/how do/scribenick: mjk/ 14:13:02 ... a github repo allows us to organize information in markdown files of people are OK with .md files 14:13:11 s/of/if/ 14:13:50 mm: we can set up a process and permissions for merging 14:14:01 ... any comments: 14:14:02 q+ 14:14:14 s/any comments/any comments?/ 14:14:23 martin: OK with me 14:15:09 kaz: for this discussion should we use the wiki or md files in a directory? 14:16:17 mm: the wiki is good for agendas and such but storage is limited, so Github is better for other content 14:16:40 s/directory/directory on Github/ 14:16:43 rigo has joined #ngsi 14:17:07 kaz: we can create the resources 14:17:45 mm: we need a name 14:19:31 suggestion for wiki name: "WoT/NGSI-LD Liaison" 14:19:44 mm: is this OK? 14:20:29 kaz: we usually include IG or WG in the title 14:21:09 mm: it may not always be one WoT group involved 14:21:47 ... is it a strict policy? 14:21:53 kaz: not strict 14:23:04 present+ Franck_Le_Gall 14:23:13 present+ Ege_Korkan 14:23:34 "WoT/NGSI-LD_Liaison" 14:23:55 for github repo, propose wot-ngsi 14:23:57 mm: ask Kaz to create the resources accordingly 14:24:28 mm: we also need a name for the Github repo 14:24:34 ok, then wot-ngsi-ld 14:24:47 github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld 14:25:23 for irc channel, let's also use "wot-ngsi-ld" 14:25:47 proposal: "WoT/NGSI-LD_Liaison" as the wiki name, "w3c/wot-ngsi-ld" as the GitHub repo name, and "wot-ngsi-ld" as the IRC name 14:26:08 resolution: "WoT/NGSI-LD_Liaison" as the wiki name, "w3c/wot-ngsi-ld" as the GitHub repo name, and "wot-ngsi-ld" as the IRC name 14:26:10 mm: any objections to these names? 14:26:22 @@@ resolution here 14:27:22 topic: TPAC 14:28:47 subtopic: WoT F2F 14:28:54 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/26-wot-minutes.html#t09 WoT F2F Day 1 minutes 14:30:04 mjk has joined #ngsi 14:30:22 topic: liaison document 14:30:45 mm: suggest modeling the liaison after the OPC collaboration 14:31:31 mm: we can use the protocol binding registry 14:33:16 subtopic: Smart Cities 14:33:23 mm: can we review the Smart City IG minutes? 14:33:37 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/25-smartcities-minutes.html minutes 14:35:22 mm: the expected deliverables and use case section is interesting 14:36:15 kaz: we use the definition of Digital Twin from ITU 14:36:40 ... we expect to start regular monthly calls in November 14:37:10 ... the participants of in this NGSI liaison are invited 14:37:20 s/of// 14:37:30 q+ 14:38:23 mm: in the WoT group, we are developing use cases and refining requirements based on user stories 14:38:32 present+ Juanjo_Hierro 14:38:46 ... we could use a similar process for this work 14:39:10 kaz: we might want to clarify the relationship between the WoT group and the Smart City IG 14:39:40 mm: we have a collaboration relationship and can get requirements for new WoT features 14:40:22 ... we had a long meeting with Rob Atkinson about the geospatial location topic 14:41:42 kaz: we will have shared discussions regarding use cases and detailed requirements 14:42:00 topic: WoT-ETSI liaison 14:42:12 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/liaisons/ngsi-ld.md [DRAFT] WoT WG/ETSI ISG CIM Simple Liaison for NGSI-LD 14:42:50 mm: we need to update the liaison document to capture some action items 14:43:48 ... propose to copy the liaison document into the Github repo and make PRs to the active document 14:43:50 rrsagent, make log public 14:43:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:43:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/28-ngsi-minutes.html kaz 14:44:42 mm: we should update the schedule to a 2025 date 14:44:43 q+ 14:45:22 kaz: should we update the document in the WoT repository? 14:46:02 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/liaisons wot repo's official liaison area 14:46:08 mm: I will make a PR to move the proposal over to the active liaisons directory 14:46:27 subtopic: deliverabvles 14:46:37 s/bvles/bles/ 14:47:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:47:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/28-ngsi-minutes.html kaz 14:47:44 q+ 14:47:47 mm: we talk about publishers and consumers 14:49:09 ... the Binding Document has considerations of vocabulary and scope 14:49:37 ... sometimes there are required extensions that require extra work 14:50:00 juanjo: do we have agreement on the first deliverable? 14:50:42 ... if someone provides a ThingModel, we should be able to derive a ThingDescription 14:51:27 mm: we reviewed a ThingModel catalog from which tooling derives instances of ThingDescriptions 14:51:51 ... there are existing directory services, etc. 14:52:08 q? 14:52:10 ... what are the gaps and where do we need glue? 14:52:19 martin: do we need more use cases? 14:52:46 mm: we already have a Smart City use case, are there reusable items from what we have? 14:53:06 martin: I was thinking things of a more technical nature 14:53:31 ... technical use cases, the first step of refinement 14:54:22 mm: In our process, we connect use cases to features using requirements as user stories 14:55:02 ... there are also use case scenarios with detailed documentation 14:55:13 Franck has joined #ngsi 14:55:57 kaz: everyone should bring existing resources around use cases and requirements, then we can see what is missing 14:56:19 mm: the first step is to get organized 14:56:22 ack k 14:56:33 ... then we can do gap analysis 14:56:53 ... need to break it down to organized topics 14:57:08 q+ 14:57:20 ... collect links and put then in one place 14:57:51 ... let me get the charter created and next time we can discuss how to organize things 14:57:56 kaz: we need action items 14:58:14 mm: I will create an agenda for the next meeting 14:58:21 ... November 11th 14:58:33 action: Kaz to create a wiki, GitHub repo and IRC channel as confirmed 14:59:18 kaz: Juanjo, please create a W3C account 14:59:19 jhierro has joined #ngsi 14:59:44 action: McCool to put agenda on the wiki, and update the ngsi-ld.md with proposals (and make a PR to move it from "proposals" area to "liaisons" area" 14:59:44 mm: any final thoughts? 15:00:09 mm: thanks everyone, sorry for the confusion 15:00:10 action: Kaz to send a reminder to Juanjo about how to create a W3C account 15:00:15 ... adjourned 15:00:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:00:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/28-ngsi-minutes.html kaz 15:00:56 s/presetn+/present+/g 15:00:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:01:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/28-ngsi-minutes.html kaz 17:27:15 Zakim has left #ngsi