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16:17:59 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Chuck6
16:18:01 <Chuck6> chair:  Chuck
16:18:10 <Chuck6> meeting:  AGF-2024-10-28
16:18:17 <Chuck6> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:18:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/28-ag-facilitators-minutes.html Chuck6
16:18:26 <Chuck6> agenda+ Task Force Updates
16:18:34 <Chuck6> agenda+ Add discussion when best to meet objective - by author or best by user agent #325  https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/325
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16:30:53 <JJ> present+
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16:33:01 <mbgower> present+
16:33:02 <mbgower> scribe
16:33:03 <alastairc> present+
16:33:05 <bruce_bailey> present+
16:33:08 <alastairc> scribe: mbgower
16:33:10 <Chuck6> zakim, take up item 1
16:33:10 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from Chuck6]
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16:33:23 <maryjom> present+
16:34:03 <mbgower> JJ: I sent an email with updates when I couldn't make the last meeting. We are almost finished discussing all the 56 A and AA criteria.
16:34:21 <shawn> q+ for mobile comment
16:34:26 <mbgower> ... We have generated some index.html files to share with the world
16:34:45 <mbgower> ... We will then focus on the low-variation SCs, and then move on the medium-variation.
16:35:04 <Chuck6> ack shawn
16:35:04 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to discuss mobile comment
16:35:08 <shawn> https://github.com/w3c/wai-website/issues/692
16:35:39 <alastairc> scribe+
16:35:58 <alastairc> shawn: Would be good to update the WAI pages, in the github issue
16:36:17 <alastairc> ... Kevin and JJ to action.
16:36:51 <alastairc> michaelg: Aiming to do CFC for changes to 2.2, going out in the next week or so.
16:37:09 <shawn> q+ to ask
16:37:20 <alastairc> ... mostly style updates, but a few clarifications of defintions. Should not cause re-interpretations.
16:37:21 <Chuck6> ack shawn
16:37:21 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask
16:37:47 <alastairc> shawn: just to let you know, I'll be asking in the next few weeks for an overview on how that is going, and if there's anything else needed.
16:38:21 <shawn> s/ and if there's anything else needed/ and what else is needed going forward
16:39:03 <alastairc> maryjom: Before my update, I opened a new issue on WCAG 2.2 about a definition, it might impact the CFC.
16:39:14 <alastairc> ... a note that isn't marked up as a note.
16:39:19 <alastairc> michaelg
16:39:43 <alastairc> michaelg: oh, the definition about [missed], but it does appear to be a note.
16:40:12 <Chuck6> q+
16:40:21 <alastairc> maryjom: My status - I'm doing project planning for out next phase, which is the AAA criteria. Getting a project plan in place.
16:40:50 <shawn> q+ to note next steps and explainer
16:40:55 <alastairc> ... I may have a co-facilitator, will say more later. Also, will be working on an explainer for WCAG2ICT. Topics of proper use, what it is and isn't.
16:41:09 <Chuck6> ack Ch
16:41:11 <alastairc> ... taken a little hiatus, but will get going again soon.
16:41:38 <alastairc> Chuck6: That facilitator conversation, I'm planning on that going through so I can step back a bit on WCAG2ICT.
16:41:43 <JJ> q+ to add meeting minutes link to AG Facilitators meeting events in W3C calendar
16:41:44 <Chuck6> ack Shawn
16:41:44 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to note next steps and explainer
16:42:05 <alastairc> shawn: We should also update the WCAG2ICT info page to work on the AAA criteria.
16:42:18 <alastairc> ... that's great, I just had missed that.
16:42:32 <alastairc> maryjom: We also need to update the co-facilitator bit as well.
16:42:52 <alastairc> shawn: Could I be in-the-loop on the explainer? Need to consider if it goes in the WAI space or TR, or where it goes?
16:42:52 <Chuck6> ack jj
16:42:52 <Zakim> JJ, you wanted to add meeting minutes link to AG Facilitators meeting events in W3C calendar
16:42:57 <kevin> q+
16:43:09 <alastairc> JJ: Could we add the meeting minutes / URL to the event?
16:43:14 <Chuck6> q+
16:43:25 <alastairc> ... for this meeting.
16:43:37 <Chuck6> ack kevin
16:43:55 <bruce_bailey> q+ for issue number wrt AAA notes
16:44:04 <alastairc> Chuck6: Not sure if it's restricted, will see if there's a box for the minutes, then I can add going forward.
16:44:07 <Chuck6> ack Ch
16:44:10 <alastairc> ... suggestion taken.
16:44:17 <kevin> q+
16:44:19 <Chuck6> ack bru
16:44:19 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to discuss issue number wrt AAA notes
16:44:22 <alastairc> bruce_bailey: Do you have the Id for the issue?
16:44:23 <Chuck6> ack kevin
16:45:06 <alastairc> kevin: Re: The explainer, that will be in TR space as a group note. I'll find the PR for it. We can chat later.
16:45:11 <JJ> q+ to ask about subgroup polling
16:45:46 <Chuck6> ack jj
16:45:46 <Zakim> JJ, you wanted to ask about subgroup polling
16:45:52 <alastairc> shawn: Is that something different to the policy discussion?
16:46:00 <alastairc> alastairc: Different thing, which hasn't started yet.
16:46:08 <Chuck6> q+
16:46:10 <Chuck6> ack Ch
16:46:16 <alastairc> JJ: There's a survey/poll going for WCAG3 sub-groups, how's that going?
16:46:27 <kevin> -> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/pull/116 Update to WCAG3 Explainer PR
16:46:34 <alastairc> Chuck6: Got the results, am correlating now, I'll be announcing that tomorrow on the AG call.
16:46:38 <Chuck6> q?
16:47:13 <Chuck6> zakim, take up item
16:47:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up item', Chuck6
16:47:19 <Chuck6> zakim, take up next item
16:47:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Add discussion when best to meet objective - by author or best by user agent #325  https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/325 -- taken up [from Chuck6]
16:47:22 <alastairc> Chuck6: [Round robin], no additions.
16:47:43 <alastairc> Chuck6: Shawn sent an email about issue 325 on the COGA repo, wasn't sure what to do with that.
16:48:07 <alastairc> shawn: Came up in a WAI CC meeting, and thought it was relevant here. Did anyone have any input on the discussion?
16:48:08 <Chuck6> q+
16:48:25 <Chuck6> ack Ch
16:48:39 <alastairc> shawn: The issue is for COGA, but it's wider than that.
16:49:04 <Chuck6> q?
16:49:06 <shawn> q+
16:49:11 <alastairc> Chuck6: We (chairs+kevin) had a discussion with people from the browser vendors, and we'll have quarterly meetings with them.
16:49:18 <Chuck6> ack shawn
16:50:07 <alastairc> shawn: Slightly different thing, but we're also eager to have browsers involved in WCAG3, but also we'd like to see if we could encourage / facilitate the browsers addressing some things now.
16:50:10 <Chuck6> q?
16:50:42 <shawn> s/but we're also eager to have browsers involved in WCAG3/ not only want to have browsers involved in WCAG3
16:52:16 <Chuck6> q?
16:52:53 <alastairc> Chuck6: For issue 325, not sure what it means for that?
16:53:05 <Chuck6> q+
16:53:23 <Chuck6> ack Ch
16:53:31 <alastairc> shawn: Just whether there are existing discussions  or things to point towards.
16:54:01 <shawn> s/point towards./point towards -- and might want to add links to that issue
16:54:03 <alastairc> Chuck6: Only that we've come across certain outcomes that might be better addressed by user-agents, but nothing definitive yet.
16:54:08 <Chuck6> q?
16:54:45 <JJ> q+
16:54:45 <shawn> s/ facilitate the browsers addressing some things now./ facilitate the browsers addressing some things now. (e.g., focus apearance)
16:54:50 <alastairc> michaelg: Focus-appearance was a sticking point for sure, we got push-back on that, and it was hard to write a rule to cover all the different places to test.
16:54:50 <Chuck6> q?
16:54:53 <Chuck6> ack JJ
16:55:23 <alastairc> JJ: On the browser topic, considering the new guidelines are broader, could it include OS level things?
16:55:34 <alastairc> ... particularly for mobile/ICT.
16:56:12 <bruce_bailey> q+ to ask about IRC dropping
16:56:41 <Chuck6> ack bruce
16:56:41 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to ask about IRC dropping
16:56:56 <alastairc> bruce_bailey: IRC continues to drop, any progress?
16:57:14 <alastairc> kevin: haven't got enough data to work out when/what is happening. Happy to continue taking emails for that purpose.
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16:58:08 <alastairc> RRSAgent, make minutes
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17:26:25 <Chuck6> rrsagent, make minutes
17:26:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/28-ag-facilitators-minutes.html Chuck6