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12:56:55 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest
12:57:01 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:57:01 <kaz> chair: Sebastian
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12:58:10 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_McCool, Aitor_Arza, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Jan_Romann, Josh_Thomas, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:01:55 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_23.10.2024
13:02:36 <kaz> present+ Rob_Atkinson
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13:04:00 <mahda> present+ Mahda_Noura
13:04:26 <mahda> scribeNick: mahda
13:05:39 <mahda> sk: We opened the call to other members this week due to the open event of plugsfest
13:06:00 <mahda> ...rules on the W3C and IRC
13:06:07 <kaz> i/We open/topic: Logistics/
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13:07:50 <mahda> topic: Introduction of Members
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13:08:37 <jeremy> q+
13:08:58 <mahda> martin_schlafer: I am small a company in South of Munich working in Automative Industry in vibration comfort, software developer. We have recently adopted the WoT technologies
13:09:41 <mahda> aitor: I am coming from Conexus platform, cache management and handling recycling material, looking to integrate WoT in sales integration
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13:10:00 <sebastian> ack q
13:10:09 <sebastian> ack j
13:10:31 <mahda> jeremy: From st.Gallen to integrate physical devices to WoT
13:11:50 <jeremy> More precisely, my context for participating would enabling software agents to interact with physical devices through the WoT.
13:12:55 <mahda> denis: I am a colleague of Aitor, we are interested to participate in Plugfest, we try to setup a Thing Description on our devices
13:13:33 <mahda> LarryR: Already second time participation in the Plug Fest call
13:13:53 <mahda> topic: Minutes
13:14:11 <mahda> sk: The minutes from last week are reviewed
13:15:06 <mahda> ...The plug fest calls will be happening every week as the event is near
13:15:14 <mahda> ...any objections to approve the minutes?
13:15:18 <mahda> (None)
13:15:28 <mahda> Topic: Agenda
13:15:32 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_WoT_Week_2024_planning#Agenda_%28Draft%29
13:15:34 <kaz> i|The minutes|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/16-wot-pf-minutes.html Oct-16|
13:15:41 <kaz> s/None/None; approved/
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13:16:43 <mahda> ...We have the opportunity to go on Friday Nov 22 in Siemens to prepare the devices and making first tests. It is not official part of the plug fest.
13:16:56 <dezell> q+
13:17:13 <mahda> ...A small change is that on Monday, we will do a Siemens lab tour around lunch time
13:17:34 <mahda> ...Tuesday, Nov 27 will be full Plug Fest day
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13:18:05 <kaz> s/Introduction of Members/Introduction of new participants/
13:18:06 <mahda> ...Wednesday will be the WoT conference, if you are interested to present at this conference you are welcome to do so
13:18:34 <mahda> ...We will talk later about the organization like posters and so on
13:18:52 <kaz> s/...We have the/sk: We have the/
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13:19:13 <mahda> david: For the Friday do we have a timeframe?
13:19:42 <mahda> sk: I will clarify the timings, but I think 7pm sounds a bit too late
13:20:02 <mahda> david: Some of our people may be earlier in town and they may want to drop by to get a feel
13:20:17 <mahda> sk: For Wednesday event, we have finalized the agenda
13:20:58 <mahda> ...We are starting on 12:00, welcome and networking, it will be a lso good time to look at the WoT demos that are available
13:21:17 <LarryR> 12:00am is midnight and 12:00pm is noon.....corrrect?
13:21:44 <mahda> ...then there will be the opening, Markus Reigl will do this, then from Dr. Dirk Didascalou and from TU Munchen
13:22:03 <mahda> ...introduction to W3C and WoT from W3C and WoT chairs
13:22:19 <mahda> ....this will be followed by which industries are already using WoT
13:22:45 <mahda> ...then we move on to the PLug Fest demo results, everyone has the chance to do a quick pitch, this is 1 minute
13:23:40 <mahda> ...then there will be the final session, future potentials of WoT
13:23:57 <mahda> ...after that we go to the WoT Gala dinner
13:24:16 <kaz> q+
13:24:17 <sebastian> q?
13:24:20 <kaz> ack d
13:24:46 <mahda> kaz: the starting time for Wednesday at 12:00 means noon?
13:25:01 <mahda> ...the slide said midnight
13:25:21 <kaz> ack k
13:25:24 <mahda> sk: Slide changed to 12:00 PM
13:25:55 <mahda> McCool: how many will join?
13:26:53 <mahda> sk: We currently have a list of participants who have mentioned they will be coming, it would good to also add the new members who are already not in the list
13:27:31 <mahda> sk: Is someone missing from the list?
13:28:35 <mahda> jeremy: From our side, Andrei will not join and instead on his behalf Jeremey will be joining
13:29:45 <mahda> ...also Schultz, Kai will join. For your information I will be only joining on Monday and Tuesday, and Kai will join from Wednesday
13:30:42 <mahda> ...we need to do a final clarification of our timings
13:31:46 <sebastian> https://wot-conference.events.dc.siemens.com/registrations/4656c284-196e-4af4-865f-060b0af4364a/landing-page
13:31:48 <mahda> sk: If you have not done yet, for the WoT conference would be good to do the registration.
13:32:32 <kaz> s|https://wot-conference.events.dc.siemens.com/registrations/4656c284-196e-4af4-865f-060b0af4364a/landing-page||
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13:32:47 <jthomas> q+
13:32:49 <mahda> sk: Is there any further question on the agenda?
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13:33:25 <mahda> ...On Thursday and Friday, Microsoft is hosting it, we should schedule the agenda. I could put DTDL already inside as a point for reminder
13:33:45 <mahda> Topic: Technical Requirement
13:33:45 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2024.11.Munich
13:34:13 <mahda> sk: We have in this page a detailed planning of the Plug Fest, so that we can think about what kind of scenario we want to have
13:34:29 <jthomas> q-
13:34:30 <mahda> ege: There is a PR which updates this
13:34:45 <mahda> sk: yes, we will initially go through the current one and look at the PR
13:35:18 <mahda> ...Mathias Kovatsch is joining the event and he will be bringing some Siemens devices
13:35:30 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/596
13:36:03 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/596|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/596 PR 596 - Siemens KNX IOT devices|
13:36:07 <mahda> ...there is another PR from Ege about protocol implementation
13:36:19 <kaz> i|There is a PR|subtopic: PR 596|
13:36:31 <McCool> q?
13:36:37 <McCool> q+
13:36:53 <kaz> i|there is another|subtopic: PR 597|
13:36:53 <mahda> Ege: some of them don't have the protocol information yet because I do not have the information, there is instead currently for some a question mark.
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13:37:09 <kaz> i|there is another|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/597 PR 597 - Add protocol information|
13:37:11 <mahda> McCool: For WLAN do we also want to worry about port numbers?
13:37:19 <kaz> q+
13:37:29 <mahda> sk: thats solved by the VPN connection
13:37:39 <McCool> ack m
13:37:50 <mahda> McCool: HTTP is the simple case, but we have to worry about other protocols like MQTT, Modbus and so on
13:37:57 <mahda> ...maybe we also collect the port number
13:38:26 <mahda> sk: i thought we are using the VPN connection so that we don't need to worry about the port numbers
13:38:32 <mahda> Ege: I need to check this
13:39:24 <mahda> Kaz: We need to look into which port will be used by which service, then think about the actual configuration for the VPN. My second point is that this time we don't need to use the iPv6 address
13:39:36 <mahda> sk: I'm not sure
13:39:59 <mahda> Kaz: Usually we use the IPv4, and not IPv6, we need to clarify this
13:40:07 <kaz> s/iPv6/IPv6/
13:40:16 <mahda> sk: I think we need to double check this
13:40:32 <mahda> sk: I would merge the following PR as it adds more info on the protocol
13:40:35 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/597
13:40:40 <kaz> s/clarify this/clarify our need for that too/
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13:40:55 <McCool> q+
13:41:03 <mahda> Ege: Maybe for those who already know the protocols, maybe you could already tell me
13:41:16 <kaz> q-
13:41:21 <mahda> Denis: It is HTTP from our side
13:42:26 <mahda> McCool: Another issue is HTTPS and certificates, if we need to run it locally we need the certificates, I might also run some services on the Internet with access control. Maybe we should also clarify if is local or on the internet, if on the Internet we need to impose HTTPS
13:42:30 <McCool> ack m
13:42:38 <mahda> Ege: Luca what protocol do you support?
13:43:05 <mahda> Luca: Right now we have HTTP, but I still need to refresh the codebase, in any case HTTP/HTTPS
13:43:33 <mahda> Ege: From Ignite Retail, there is an IP camera, are we using the pure stream?
13:43:45 <mahda> (currently no one from there side on the call)
13:43:58 <jthomas> I'm checking in on the protocol of the cameras
13:44:22 <EgeKorkan> ah ok :) I can update it afterwards
13:44:35 <mahda> sk: Please provide PRs to the provided table to update the content
13:44:54 <McCool> q+
13:44:55 <mahda> ...if someone has problems with Github please send us an email, we will provide the information for you
13:45:30 <kaz> q+
13:45:31 <mahda> McCool: I like to reach out to some of these people, do we have contact list of emails somewhere to access offline?
13:45:46 <mahda> david: For the Conexus group I can add the emails of the list
13:45:54 <EgeKorkan> q+
13:45:59 <EgeKorkan> ack m
13:46:07 <mahda> McCool: I was wondering an email list, I don't want that to be public
13:46:40 <mahda> ...Josh, I want to do an AI service to do speech recognition, I need camera and a speaker onsight. Does your camera also support audio?
13:46:47 <mahda> josh: I need to check that
13:46:58 <mahda> McCool: Maybe we need to chat offline about that
13:47:02 <dezell> q+
13:47:10 <mahda> ...I will not be there in person
13:47:18 <mahda> josh: I will be in Munich
13:47:50 <mahda> Kaz: I can create a mailing list for that purpose, do we want to have a mailing list for all the WoT participants or only the Plug Fest list?
13:48:02 <mahda> McCool: Plug Fest pariticipants
13:48:14 <mahda> Kaz: I can start preparing the list and contact key persons if required
13:48:28 <mahda> sk: Thank you for that
13:48:32 <kaz> q-
13:49:06 <mahda> Ege: In the community group side, we setup a channel for this sort of chat style, for the Plug Fest we also created a channel
13:49:13 <EgeKorkan> https://discord.gg/RJNYJsEgnb
13:49:43 <mahda> sk: Is it a Dscord channel?
13:49:46 <mahda> Ege: Yes
13:50:03 <jeremy> I have to leave now. Goodbye!
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13:50:14 <mahda> sk: I'm not sure if we mainly should rely on the Discord, should be for quick questions
13:50:23 <kaz> action: kaz to create a ML including all the Plugfest participants
13:50:34 <mahda> david: Hookup with camera Josh and Michael, that would be a game changer for our work
13:50:45 <mahda> sk: I'm looking forward to see what will be possible
13:51:05 <mahda> Topic: PlugFest VPN Network
13:51:46 <mahda> sk: for everyone coming to Garching the people should be in the VPN network, we need to of course test this, what is the status about this Ege and Tomoro San?
13:51:58 <mahda> Ege: I think Tomoro San already setup something
13:52:13 <kaz> q+
13:52:28 <mahda> ktoumura: I'm checking this, please wait some moments about this
13:52:39 <kaz> s/Tomoro/Toumura/
13:52:46 <mahda> sk: we will also need to evaluate the port stuff, whether the ports are open
13:53:45 <mahda> Ege: Once you have something Toumura, would be very nice to test it
13:54:17 <mahda> sk: What would be cool is that if we have the VPN network running some weeks before the PlugFest, people could connect to the network and test if everything is working
13:54:41 <mahda> ...If you are in the process of testing, lets check next week to see the status
13:54:45 <kaz> ack e
13:55:40 <kaz> ack d
13:55:42 <kaz> ack k
13:55:56 <mahda> kaz: Just for a sum up for Toumura, the instance is available on Amazon Web Service and he checking it, please clarify your network settings: Port, IP version, protocol and so on. We should update the markdown page accordingly
13:55:56 <kaz> s/lets/let's/
13:56:07 <kaz> s/sum up/some follow-up/
13:56:12 <kaz> s/Toumura/Toumura-san/
13:56:27 <kaz> s/the ins/the VPN ins/
13:56:37 <mahda> Topic: Presentation of the PlugFest/Demos
13:56:51 <kaz> s/he checking/he's checking/
13:57:57 <McCool> q+
13:58:00 <kaz> q+
13:58:09 <mahda> sk: We should proceed like last time, where we provide a template, I recommend using the W3C WoT slide style, the same is true for the poster, we would provide a poster slide. We found out that we unfortunately cannot have a big poster size, because our Poster stands in Garching does not have a A0 size, but A1 will fit. I think the A1 is already
13:58:09 <mahda> big enough to give the main information
13:58:27 <mahda> McCool: We previously talked about display versus having a monitor
13:58:41 <mahda> sk: We are not abale to manage to get so many monitors for everyone
13:58:54 <kaz> s/big enough to give the main information//
13:58:59 <mahda> McCool: So you expect everyone to print the poster in advance and bring it?
13:58:59 <kaz> s/already/already big enough to give the main information/
13:59:07 <kaz> s/abale/able/
13:59:14 <mahda> sk: We are discussing this and still not clarified yet.
13:59:16 <kaz> q?
13:59:22 <kaz> ack m
13:59:41 <mahda> McCool: So the current information is: A1, printed and vertical?
13:59:45 <mahda> sk: yes
14:00:10 <mahda> kaz: Just to make sure, you planning to provide two opportunities, one poster session and one presentation session?
14:00:34 <EgeKorkan> let's start the TD session 10-15 mins past :)
14:01:21 <mahda> sk: One opportunity is the one slider for the 1 minute pitch session on the big screen, at the same time there will be tables for the demos where you can put a poster for explaining more
14:01:34 <kaz> q-
14:01:56 <kaz> s/one poster session and one presentation session?/one poster session and one presentation session. Right?/
14:02:03 <kaz> s/you planning/you're planning/
14:02:19 <kaz> s/One opp/Right. One opp/
14:02:22 <kaz> [adjourned]
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