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12:40:26 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:40:33 <jasonjgw> meeting: RQTF meeting
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12:40:45 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
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12:41:14 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
12:41:54 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Machine Learning and Generative AI.
12:42:07 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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12:56:29 <janina> zakim, who's here?
12:56:29 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw
12:56:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, gb, kirkwood, alastairc, Rachael, Roy_Ruoxi
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13:02:32 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:02:32 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:02:39 <J_Paton> scribe+
13:04:17 <janina> subtopic: Issue 85
13:04:18 <janina> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/85
13:04:19 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/85 -> Issue 85 Replace the word “to learn” with “familiar with”. (by lseeman) [COGA]
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13:05:09 <J_Paton> this is related to make it easier to learn the interfaces of collaborative environments
13:17:58 <J_Paton> janina: we can't rely on anything not requiring any learning since there will always be some learning required for things you are not familiar with.
13:20:27 <J_Paton> jasonjgw: It could be easy to get into a situation where we can't satisfy the "no learning" criterion.
13:22:25 <janina> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/
13:22:38 <janina> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/85
13:23:57 <J_Paton> jasonjgw: enabling documents to be accessed via tools that users are familiar with (for instance if editing a text document then users can choose the editor they are familiar with) could help but that may not be something this group can push for.
13:28:40 <janina> Jason to see about pointing to API; then close issue
13:28:52 <J_Paton> jasonjgw: we may need to strengthen the support for APIs in the text
13:29:02 <J_Paton> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/86
13:29:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/86 -> Issue 86 allow users to roll back to an older interface  (by lseeman) [COGA]
13:29:11 <janina> subtopic: Issue 86
13:29:14 <janina> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/86
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13:32:07 <stacey> janina, can you re-paste those links? Thanks!
13:32:17 <J_Paton> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/86
13:35:01 <J_Paton> jasonjgw: Many of the tools being discussed are owned and maintained by large organisations that will have reasons for software updates (that will not allow this). This may be beyond the power of this group.
13:35:24 <J_Paton> janina: Also out of scope for this group.
13:36:59 <J_Paton> jasonjgw: The issues are understood however.
13:38:48 <J_Paton> stacey: Could we recommend that updates are advertised ahead of time to help users anticipate and plan their accepting of the update?
13:39:32 <janina> jason to update to the extent possible
13:39:41 <janina> subtopic: Issue 87
13:39:45 <janina> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/87
13:39:46 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/87 -> Issue 87 Add the term “ familiar terms “ (by lseeman) [COGA]
13:41:08 <janina> Duplicate; note and close
13:41:19 <J_Paton> janina: this feels like a duplicate issue from #85 and #86
13:41:20 <gb> Issue 85 not found
13:41:20 <gb> Issue 86 not found
13:41:46 <janina> subtopic: Issue 88
13:41:50 <janina> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/88
13:41:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/88 -> Issue 88 formating suggestion (by lseeman) [COGA]
13:43:08 <J_Paton> janina: This is part of a wider piece of work so we can defer this issue to that work.
13:43:53 <janina> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/
13:44:20 <J_Paton> janina: We will be updating the common design of the documents and incorporating this issue into that work.
13:46:05 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:46:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility of Machine Learning and Generative AI. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:49:16 <J_Paton> janina: It may be harder to take this agendum forward without Scott.
13:49:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:49:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:52:24 <J_Paton> jasonjgw: There was an article about an AI that can interact with an interface like a user which has some accessibility potential.
13:55:44 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
13:55:44 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, John_Paton, DavidSwallow, stacey
13:55:46 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:55:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/23-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
13:55:56 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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13:56:09 <janina> rrsagent, bye
13:56:09 <RRSAgent> I see no action items