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12:55:08 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
12:55:19 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
12:55:32 <julierawe> Meeting: WCAG 3 Implied Meaning subgroup
12:55:48 <julierawe> date: 22 oct 2024
12:56:10 <julierawe> Regrets: Mike B
12:56:19 <julierawe> zakim, clear agenda
12:56:19 <Zakim> agenda cleared
12:56:30 <julierawe> Agenda+ Publishing schedule
13:02:08 <Laura_Carlson> present+ Laura_Carlson
13:04:39 <julierawe> present+
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13:06:23 <julierawe> zakim, next item
13:06:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Publishing schedule -- taken up [from julierawe]
13:07:56 <julierawe> Rachael wants to publish Implied Meaning in next draft of WCAG 3
13:07:56 <julierawe> It’s OK to publish even if we still have a lot to fill in
13:07:56 <julierawe> Rachael wants the “front text”—the outcome—and it doesn’t need to be perfect
13:07:56 <julierawe> Want to publish in 2 weeks
13:08:53 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit#heading=h.d43df5fxyg8f
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13:09:34 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit#heading=h.d43df5fxyg8f
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13:10:58 <julierawe> agenda+ User-centered outcome
13:11:07 <Rain> q+
13:11:14 <julierawe> JohnRochford Why are we saying "direct"?
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13:11:25 <julierawe> julierawe I'm ok with removing "direct"
13:11:49 <Jan> present+
13:12:25 <julierawe> Rain Suggest adjust "emoji" to "text-based emoji"
13:12:44 <julierawe> Rain When you use an emoji for evoking a meaning that is different from what the actual emoji is
13:12:55 <julierawe> Rain Example of "sweat grin" when you mean sarcasm
13:16:18 <julierawe> Rain I suggest "emoji characters" instead of "text-based emojis"
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13:17:35 <julierawe> JohnR Can we add "alternatives"?
13:17:42 <julierawe> Rain I like that
13:20:01 <kirkwood> add “including”
13:27:55 <Laura_Carlson> Users can can access literal text or alternatives that explain what non-literal text means. This includes things like jokes, sarcasm, metaphors, similes, idioms, and emojis.
13:32:00 <Rain> +1
13:35:13 <julierawe> "Users can access the literal meaning of text. If the text has implied meaning, users can also get explanations or access an alternate version. Examples of non-literal text include jokes, sarcasm, metaphors, similes, idioms, and emoji characters."
13:37:30 <kirkwood> present+
13:37:38 <Rain> present+
13:38:01 <julierawe> User-centered outcome: Users can access the literal meaning of text. If the text has implied meaning, users can get explanations or access an alternate version. Examples of non-literal text include sarcasm, metaphors, similes, idioms, and emoji characters.
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13:38:27 <Jan> +1
13:40:01 <Laura_Carlson> +1
13:40:05 <Rain> +1
13:40:06 <julierawe> +1
13:40:16 <kirkwood> +1
13:40:16 <Frankie> +1
13:43:33 <kirkwood> making people aware of the use of nonliteral language and to give explanations.
13:44:52 <kirkwood> I’m very wary of calling out “Autistics”
13:48:02 <Laura_Carlson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Style
13:48:35 <kirkwood> “The preferred language to describe someone with autism varies depending on the individual, but both "autistic person" and "person with autism" are acceptable. Some say that "autistic person" is the preferred term because it's identity-first language, which recognizes autism as an inherent part of a person's identity. Others say that "person with autism" is the preferred term because it's person-first language, which puts the person before their
13:48:36 <kirkwood> diagnosis. “
13:54:57 <Rain> supply?
13:55:10 <Rain> +1 to the connotation. It feels patronizing
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14:23:23 <julierawe> Action items: Frankie will work on drafting definitions, Makoto (who joined at the end of the meeting) will start drafting tests, and Julie will update the method section to align with the decision tree and also fill in more examples in the first method
14:23:30 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
14:23:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/22-coga-minutes.html julierawe
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