13:45:12 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 13:45:17 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/10/17-i18n-irc 13:45:17 Zakim has joined #i18n 13:45:26 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/bc275b6e-6c38-4ed5-b324-6606a0c6cca7/20241017T150000/ 13:45:26 clear agenda 13:45:26 agenda+ Agenda Review 13:45:26 agenda+ Action Items 13:45:29 agenda+ Info Share 13:45:31 agenda+ RADAR Review 13:45:33 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 13:45:36 agenda+ String-Meta, Localizable Manifests, Specdev 13:45:38 agenda+ AOB? 13:45:50 agenda+ CSS meeting 13:45:57 agenda+ Payments meeting 13:48:23 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 13:48:28 Chair: Addison Phillips 13:48:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/17-i18n-minutes.html addison 13:58:54 JcK has joined #i18n 13:59:18 present+ Addison, Fuqiao 13:59:46 Najib has joined #i18n 14:00:59 present+ JcK 14:03:14 present+ Richard 14:03:52 present+ Bert 14:04:29 scribe: xfq 14:04:31 zakim, take up agendum 1 14:04:31 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:04:36 agenda? 14:04:57 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:04:57 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:05:16 #136 14:05:17 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/136 -> Issue 136 follow up on XML errata (by aphillips) [task] 14:05:37 #135 14:05:37 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135 follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17 14:05:53 addison: I sent an email to PLH but he hasn't written back 14:05:58 #134 14:05:58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/134 -> Action 134 file an issue about making input respect locale (on aphillips) due 2024-10-05 14:06:00 ... so I need to follow up 14:06:09 #133 14:06:09 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/133 -> Action 133 tidy specdev PR#77 (on r12a) due 2024-10-04 14:06:23 close #133 14:06:25 Closed -> issue #133 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/133 14:06:25 r12a: done #133 14:06:40 agenda+ specdev #77 14:06:41 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/77 -> CLOSED Action 77 create an issue against html requesting the list of named entities based on work in action 73 (on r12a) due 2024-03-07 14:06:57 #131 14:06:57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/131 -> Action 131 follow up on input-events action (on aphillips) 14:07:21 #128 14:07:21 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/128 -> Action 128 perform review of issues for inclusion in specdev (on xfq) due 2024-09-30 14:07:48 #127 14:07:49 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127 make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30 14:08:02 #125 14:08:03 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/125 -> Action 125 propose creating a UTR for text-emphasis skip if we can get help with maintain (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30 14:08:09 xfq: still pending, on my todo list 14:08:28 #115 14:08:29 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/115 -> Action 115 review i18n-activity#1783 (on r12a) due 2024-08-22 14:08:45 #114 14:08:45 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/114 -> Action 114 read through i18n-activity#1659 and report on whether we're satisfied (on r12a) due 2024-08-22 14:08:59 #90 14:09:00 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18 14:09:10 #89 14:09:11 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18 14:09:16 #33 14:09:17 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 14:09:33 #8 14:09:34 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:09:39 #7 14:09:40 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 14:10:03 #4 14:10:03 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 14:11:29 r12a: I was asking for clarification on what he's looking for 14:11:37 ... he says he wants images and tests 14:11:37 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:11:37 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:12:10 xfq: next week is UTW 2024 14:12:35 addison: I have not one but two presentations and one of them is all about string-meta 14:13:02 ... the other is MessageFormat 14:14:08 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:14:08 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:14:10 https://w3c.social/@webi18n/113288032004697117 14:14:23 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1 14:14:57 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:14:57 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:15:26 agenda? 14:15:30 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/77 -> CLOSED Action 77 create an issue against html requesting the list of named entities based on work in action 73 (on r12a) due 2024-03-07 14:15:41 zakim, take up agendum 9 14:15:41 agendum 9 -- Payments meeting -- taken up [from addison] 14:16:01 addison: I had a call yesterday with Ian and Marcos about the Payment Request 14:16:11 ... they're bringing addresses back 14:16:33 ... they farmed off a bunch of things to contact picker 14:16:41 s/contact picker/the contact picker API 14:17:01 addison: we had a long discussion about the challenge of structuring or not structuring those 14:17:24 ... so you may see a resurrection of a bunch of issues under the spec contact picker 14:17:29 ... in the near future 14:17:46 zakim, take up agendum 8 14:17:46 agendum 8 -- CSS meeting -- taken up [from addison] 14:17:47 ... that document has no editor 14:17:59 ... we reviewed all of the issues open 14:18:15 https://www.w3.org/2024/10/15-i18n-minutes.html 14:19:11 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10803 14:19:11 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10803 -> Issue 10803 [css-text-4] [text-autospace] Spacing across element boundaries for BiDi content (by vitorroriz) [css-text-4] [Agenda+] [i18n-tracker] [Agenda+ i18n] 14:20:21 xfq: @@1 14:20:30 addison: re UTR for the text-emphasis skip property 14:20:38 ... what Unicode needs is an editor for the document 14:21:03 ... that would be a Unicode editor but realistically they're looking for a volunteer to do it 14:22:14 ... in practice, there's no work 14:22:23 zakim, take up agendum 10 14:22:23 agendum 10 -- specdev #77 -- taken up [from addison] 14:22:24 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/77 -> CLOSED Action 77 create an issue against html requesting the list of named entities based on work in action 73 (on r12a) due 2024-03-07 14:22:37 ... because Unicode isn't assigning any more chars that in general that need any attention 14:22:58 ... but if they just want to maintain it in their own space, I can't make them do the other 14:23:17 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/138 14:23:18 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/138 -> Pull Request 138 Change default direction recommendation from LTR to auto. (by r12a) 14:23:50 r12a: files changed: 1, words changed: 1 14:24:36 addison: merged 14:24:45 agenda? 14:24:47 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/77 -> CLOSED Action 77 create an issue against html requesting the list of named entities based on work in action 73 (on r12a) due 2024-03-07 14:24:51 zakim, take up agendum 6 14:24:51 agendum 6 -- String-Meta, Localizable Manifests, Specdev -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:25:06 https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/89 14:25:07 https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/89 -> Pull Request 89 Address #88: Add WebIDL for LanguageMap, LanguageRecord, LanguageEntry and clean up appendix (by aphillips) 14:25:35 addison: I have a list of things 14:25:39 ... the first one is this PR 14:25:45 ... against string-meta 14:25:52 ... which I would really love to incorporate 14:26:06 ... this adds Web IDL to all of the structures we defined in string-meta 14:26:13 https://deploy-preview-89--string-meta.netlify.app/ 14:26:14 ... so that people can reference the Web IDL 14:27:39 xfq: haven't reviewed it yet 14:29:17 r12a: I don't have any comments 14:29:22 ... and it looks very pretty 14:29:50 +1 to merge 14:29:58 addison: since this is a work in progress, would you mind if I checked it in? 14:30:02 +1 14:30:11 xfq: +1 14:30:16 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/136 14:30:16 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/136 -> Pull Request 136 Change the guidelines about establishing base direction and mention ALM (by aphillips) 14:30:45 addison: I've started to go through the issues we have open against specdev 14:30:57 ... I started at the bottom because some of those are quite old 14:31:09 ... adding ALM 14:31:17 ... we've talked about this before 14:31:25 https://deploy-preview-136--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#rlmlrm 14:32:25 addison: at this group's behest, I added examples of ALM behaviour vs non-ALM behaviour 14:34:32 r12a: when creating examples with Arabic, it's usually a bad idea to allow that example to break across a line because weird things happen 14:34:42 addison: it doesn't break for me 14:37:13 [Discuss the behaviour in different browsers] 14:37:52 r12a: it should be left aligned 14:38:15 s/left aligned/right aligned 14:38:28 addison: I'll fix up the table 14:38:45 https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/pull/19 14:38:46 https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/pull/19 -> Pull Request 19 Fix #13: broken links (by aphillips) 14:39:11 addison: next one should be easy 14:39:20 ... this is a PR to fix links that are broken 14:40:28 ... I remarked previously that I intend to come back and do some more work on localizable manifests 14:40:39 ... any objection to merging this? 14:41:27 addison: when we're done, I intend to push a bunch of our recently updated documents up to /TR 14:42:15 ... we discussed last week pushing glossary up as note status 14:42:21 ... as opposed to draft note 14:42:29 ... I noticed that specdev is also draft note 14:42:35 ... should we push it up as note? 14:42:53 ... I'll make the necessary changes as we go and push things up 14:43:05 ... so I may do quick and dirty PRs to change the status 14:43:23 ... if you're going to UTW, I'll see you next week 14:43:32 zakim, take up agendum 7 14:43:32 agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:43:44 The groups are chartered through 16 October 2027. 14:43:53 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2024OctDec/0019.html 14:44:55 r12a: do we have a meeting next week? 14:45:13 addison: I intend to have a meeting next week 14:45:58 ... although xfq will be in the sky or the Transportation Security Administration 14:46:06 r12a: and Bert and I will be on Geek Week 14:46:27 addison: do you all want to skip a week? 14:46:37 Bert: I'd like to, yes 14:47:01 addison: all right, so our next call will be on the 31st of October 14:47:06 ... Halloween 14:47:23 rrsagent, make minutes 14:47:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/17-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:48:53 Najib has left #i18n 15:04:25 bigbluehat has joined #i18n