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10:37:25 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
10:40:30 <lisa> agenda+  actions https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc
10:40:46 <lisa> agenda+ AG update
10:41:28 <lisa> agenda+ Ctaur   update
10:42:13 <lisa> agenda+ Suggestions for new patterns . See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CeqiSy3tVDoeBzCG8LpkyFT1fvugGk86JuT6NvfSiAA/edit#heading=h.elnje0h6v6yo
10:42:59 <lisa> agenda+ calls this week - See https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Github_for_editors
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15:00:07 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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15:00:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/14-coga-minutes.html Lisa
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15:03:28 <JeanneEC> Working on making the next draft of content usable.
15:04:23 <JeanneEC> Editors draft - user feedback planned for next week.
15:05:32 <JeanneEC> In draft - suggestions for new patterns, suggestions from MH subgroup, flags for changes.
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15:09:00 <JeanneEC> Lisa requesting additional joiners for the editors meeting.
15:09:04 <Jan> present+
15:10:40 <JeanneEC> Lisa will send out invitation for GitHub editors meeting.
15:11:09 <JeanneEC> Supported Decision Making document needs work. Please add if you can.
15:12:44 <Lisa> next item
15:12:59 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9N-_3l-d6t0ppZcIIZ98k00x7ZE7h3ayq0OCX9Ycu4/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.rhs6n8lpznbz
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15:17:13 <JeanneEC> Julie: four new WCAG 3.0 subgroups. Survey that needs to be filled out by end of Wednesday.
15:17:29 <Lisa> Q?
15:17:36 <JeanneEC> Four groups: Views, Voice, Text Contrast, Text to Speech
15:18:00 <JeanneEC> Lisa: asked Julie to prepare patterns document.
15:18:21 <julierawe> Views description: We are starting a subgroup to create a definition of "views" that can be used for (but not limited to) web, mobile, kiosk and software.
15:18:21 <julierawe> Gather and document examples from various applications (web, mobile, desktop, kiosk, etc.)
15:18:21 <julierawe> Collaboration with other groups (e.g., COGA) to address user needs.
15:18:21 <julierawe> Explore integration into WCAG2ICT and WCAG-EM.
15:19:02 <Lisa> Q?
15:20:38 <Jan> Views - about viewport sizes?
15:21:05 <rashmi> q+
15:21:19 <Lisa> ack next
15:21:26 <Rain> q+
15:22:05 <Lisa> ack next
15:23:49 <JeanneEC> The View group is discussing how we define a specific state at any given time.
15:24:26 <julierawe> Requirements doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kbGic0DyH9iNGCYy5YOTU0wMogcET_mTHi0mGS2-HT4/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.15sqqubaaw1q
15:25:58 <Lisa> q?
15:27:42 <Lisa> color change version: https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fwcag-3.0-requirements%2F&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fdeploy-preview-117--wcag3.netlify.app%2Frequirements%2F
15:32:52 <Lisa> ack next
15:32:58 <julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/121
15:34:59 <Lisa> next item
15:35:34 <Lisa> close item 3
15:35:36 <Lisa> next item
15:39:14 <JeanneEC> Rashmi: Suggestions for Making Content Usable. Primary action button after all form controls. ReCAPTCHA button is showing after the submit (primary action) button.
15:42:35 <Lisa> Q?
15:43:32 <Lisa> q+
15:45:06 <Rain> q+
15:45:54 <JeanneEC> Lisa - could deal with editorial review. Clearly Identified Controls and Their Use, could it be merged with this suggestion?
15:46:04 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#make-the-relationship-clear-between-controls-and-the-content-they-affect-pattern
15:47:16 <Lisa> q-
15:48:02 <Lisa> ack next
15:48:49 <JeanneEC> Rain - likes that this is a standalone suggestion rather than merged with another.
15:49:01 <Lisa> q+
15:51:29 <rashmi> q+
15:51:54 <Rain> q+
15:52:17 <Rain> Meaingful order: https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Techniques/css/C27.html
15:53:10 <Rain> Also: https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/meaningful-sequence
15:53:39 <Lisa> q-
15:54:09 <Rain> ack Rain
15:54:14 <Rain> +1 to a note :)
15:54:34 <Lisa> ack next
15:55:51 <Lisa> do we want this as an idependent patter, with editorial changes
15:55:58 <Lisa> and not about wcag
15:56:15 <Lisa> note about wcag
15:56:24 <Lisa> +1
15:56:27 <LenB> +1
15:56:31 <Rain> +1
15:56:31 <Jan> +1
15:56:36 <tiffanyburtin> +1
15:56:48 <JeanneEC> +1
15:56:50 <Lisa> any objections
15:56:56 <rashmi> +1
15:57:52 <Lisa> i have had this experence
15:57:59 <LenB> I've had this experience
15:58:04 <rashmi> I had this experience
15:58:15 <Rain> I've had this experience, and seen it multiple times when doing audits to help write VPATs
15:58:35 <tiffanyburtin> Yes
15:58:43 <Lisa> (tiffany as well?
15:58:56 <rashmi> q+
15:59:10 <Lisa> ack next
15:59:51 <tiffanyburtin> Yes, I too have had this experience.
16:00:15 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#clear-operation-user-story
16:02:14 <Lisa> 3.1.2 Clear Operation (User Story)
16:02:14 <Lisa> As a user with a memory impairment, a learning disability, or a communication disability who uses symbols, or executive function impairment, I find it hard to learn new interface design patterns. I need to know which controls are available and how to use them so that the site is usable for me.
16:02:14 <Lisa> This user story also includes the following user needs:
16:02:14 <Lisa> I need to understand my options and the tasks I can perform and I can identify the controls I can interact with to complete actions.
16:02:16 <Lisa> I need to know how to use all the controls and the effects of each action.
16:02:38 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:02:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/14-coga-minutes.html Lisa
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