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11:55:41 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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12:01:32 <rashmi> zakim, start meeting
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12:01:35 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
12:01:44 <rashmi> present+
12:05:37 <rashmi> Agenda+ editorial changes in the document content usable V2 edits for the added agreed proposals.
12:06:01 <rashmi>  content usable V2 edits https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.sr5q1dge5uuh
12:06:17 <rashmi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.sr5q1dge5uuh
12:10:37 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9N-_3l-d6t0ppZcIIZ98k00x7ZE7h3ayq0OCX9Ycu4/edit
13:20:03 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9N-_3l-d6t0ppZcIIZ98k00x7ZE7h3ayq0OCX9Ycu4/edit#heading=h.rhs6n8lpznbz
13:21:32 <lisa> citations https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit?gid=1686096268#gid=1686096268
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13:29:36 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Github_for_editors
13:33:14 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Main_Page#Key_team_wiki_pages
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14:47:56 <julierawe> zakim, start meeting
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14:47:58 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:48:17 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
14:48:31 <julierawe> Meeting: WCAG 3 coordination subgroup meeting
14:48:46 <julierawe> date: 10 oct 2024
14:48:57 <julierawe> zakim, clear agenda
14:48:57 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:49:28 <julierawe> agenda+ New WCAG 3 subgroups starting soon
14:55:35 <julierawe> agenda+ Requirements review
14:55:48 <julierawe> agenda+ User centered outcomes
14:57:38 <julierawe> PRESENT+
14:57:42 <julierawe> present+
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15:07:39 <tiffanyburtin> present+
15:14:12 <julierawe> next item
15:14:42 <julierawe> Survey to sign up for the new groups will be open until October 16th
15:14:53 <julierawe> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/AGWGSubgroupParticipation_Oct_24/
15:15:14 <julierawe> This survey is also where you input your availability for different meeting times.
15:15:50 <julierawe> Four new subgroups: Views subgroup, voice control, text contrast, and text to speech.
15:17:38 <julierawe> Minutes from the AG meeting this past Tuesday: https://www.w3.org/2024/10/08-ag-minutes.html
15:19:39 <julierawe> zakim, next item
15:19:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Requirements review -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:19:59 <julierawe> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag3/requirements-updates-2024-09/requirements/index.html
15:21:13 <julierawe> Pull request will be open a couple weeks
15:22:29 <julierawe> Julie will check with Lisa on when COGA can discuss as a group what might be prerequities, what might be baseline and what mighted be enhanced
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15:25:39 <LenB> present+
15:27:30 <kirkwood> present+
15:33:33 <julierawe> Julie will flag AG chairs about broken links in pull request and make sure we are looking at the right document
15:39:09 <julierawe> kirkwood It would be good for COGA to help identify what are full-on blockers for people with cognitive and learning disabilities.
15:39:19 <julierawe> kirkwood We should be able to surface them.
15:39:36 <julierawe> kirkwood We should make clear that getting access to information is an accessibility issue.
15:40:18 <julierawe> kirkwood This idea of nice-to-have is not accurate. It's a true blocker if someone can't get to, say, their banking information.
15:40:59 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin What if we use language like "showstopper" to indicate severe blocker for people with certain kinds of disabilities.
15:41:18 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin A showstopper breaks everything. A stopper breaks for some people.
15:42:07 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin A showstopper is a severe blocker for many disabilities. A site is not usable by a broad audience.
15:42:33 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin Example from TPAC was the form becoming disabled after a timer ran out.
15:42:53 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin That would be a showstopper.
15:43:12 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin A severe blocker would be specific to a specific audience, like users of screen readers.
15:44:11 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin They're all severe, so there is a "sea of red." But perhaps the category could help break into chunks within the "sea of red."
15:44:36 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin Example of keyboard only. That impacts keyboard only and screen readers.
15:44:49 <julierawe> present+ LenB
15:45:09 <julierawe> LenB Interesting idea to flip the user personas and use them in this way.
15:45:37 <julierawe> LenB Maybe the ones that have the deepest number of impacted users become prioritized?
15:45:43 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin It's like ranked voting.
15:46:42 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin Could include a health and safety requirement so that something like flashing would be priority even though only affects small number of types of disabilities.
15:47:16 <julierawe> LenB Tiffany, do you want to spike on that tomorrow? Would help to have something to look at
15:47:59 <julierawe> zakim, next item
15:47:59 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- User centered outcomes -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:49:55 <julierawe> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag3/requirements-updates-2024-09/requirements/index.html
15:50:51 <julierawe> Oops, wrong link
15:50:55 <julierawe> Here is correct link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZAC75CJPRXaplQh3ekxIYrfaZ2jkyTsDSJroxR5F5xM/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.gsimskq0ttt1
15:53:33 <julierawe> AG is rewording the outcomes so that users are at the center.
15:53:48 <julierawe> I think this will also move in the right direction in terms of wanting more plain language.
15:58:21 <julierawe> Example of previous wording: Error notifications are provided when an error occurs.
15:59:33 <julierawe> Same example, but reworded so user is at the center of the outcome: Users are aware of an error when it occurs and what they should do about it.
16:00:36 <julierawe> Keep in mind that these one-sentence descriptions are placeholders that will get refined over time when new subgroups start to work on them.
16:03:16 <julierawe> Action items: (1) Julie will check with AG chairs to make sure we are viewing the correct draft for the pull request. (2) Julie will find out when Lisa has scheduled time during a COGA meeting to discuss the notion of harm and what should count as prerequesite/baseline/enhanced. (3) Tiffany and Len will huddle about how to prioritize harm/safety
16:03:23 <julierawe> and suggest ideas for COGA to consider.
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16:03:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/10-coga-minutes.html julierawe
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