IRC log of wot-td on 2024-10-09

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present+ Mahda_Noura
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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
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chair: Ege
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Kunihiko_Toumura, Mahda_Noura
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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topic: agenda
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scribenick: mjk
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#October_9-10%2C_2024
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topic: TPAC summary
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q+
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* WoT Thing Description Slot 1: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-td-minutes.html
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* WoT Thing Description Slot 2: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/19-wot-td-minutes.html
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ack k
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s/TPAC summary/Previous minutes review
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q_
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ege: any changes?
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q?
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... minutes are approved
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ege: minutes from the 19th, any changes?
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q?
14:20:10 [mjk]
... minutes from September 19th approved
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topic: TPAC summary
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ege: (present and review the TD slides from TPAC)
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q+
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ege: notable discussion was the relationship between bindings and profiles
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subtopic: review minutes from TPAC
14:26:21 [EgeKorkan]
q?
14:26:32 [mjk]
ege: any corrections or additions?
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... approved
14:26:58 [EgeKorkan]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/112oOOoIx7prStCR8Bv6wLqUV5fN_At9btWE9_x7Ame0/edit?usp=sharing
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subtopic: report out from other meetings
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ege: linkML toolchain meeting
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... attendance was not good, it was early in the morning
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... overall good feedback
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... other SDO groups are also transitioning to linkML
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q?
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q+
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ege: registry breakout session
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q-
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s/session/session report
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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#F2F_Planning WoT main wiki - F2F section (to be updated with the breakout minutes URLs)
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ege: not large attendance but we connected with other people working on the registry topic
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... our feedback is that the process is too open, which is by design
14:32:55 [EgeKorkan]
q?
14:33:07 [mjk]
... any comments or questions?
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ege: JSON-LD session report out
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... there is a pending update to JSON-LD to include RDF-Star
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... CBOR-LD will have a context registry for compression
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... YAML-LD is done, no surprises
14:35:49 [Cris]
q+
14:36:46 [luca_barbato]
q+
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cris: is there a way to convert YAML comments to $comment in JSON?
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... it may not be standardized
14:37:14 [luca_barbato]
https://json5.org/
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luca: there is JSON5 which is for configuration
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cris: JSON5 may be a better approach
14:39:21 [Cris]
https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/json#_json-with-comments (says that is vscode specific)
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luca: YAML is a superset of JSON
14:40:09 [kaz]
https://www.w3.org/2024/09/26-wot-minutes.html#t11
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q?
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ege: no news on canonicalization
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ege: @type issue of collision with JSON Schema type
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... need to clarify what is happening
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... normative references to JSON Schema may not be resolved after all
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kaz: we should continue to watch the situation with the VC specification
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kaz: the question from W3C viewpoint is if the resource is stable
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... could talk with Philippe if we want to go this direction
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q?
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... any other comments?
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topic: tooling
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q?
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ege: would like to have the meetings every 2 weeks, using the TD zoom link
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topic: initial connection
14:49:43 [EgeKorkan]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2040
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PR #2040
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s/PR/ege: PR
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ege: there is a proposal and Luca has extended, Ben Francis has commented
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s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2040|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2040|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2040 wot-thing-description PR 2040 - Initial/Common Connection Container Proposal|
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ege: some remaining questions like what is a subprotocol?
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... propose to focus on the container architecture and discuss the terminology later
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luca: the problem is from where we want to start. How can we set defaults, and how can we describe protocols with less ambiguity
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q+
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ege: the reuse mechanism can be discussed separately
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luca: the proposal allows the consumer to decide on connection reuse, and it is protocol specific
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... for example, some protocols like QUIC provide a built-in persistent connection and a client can decide whether to use it or nor
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s/nor/not
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q?
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luca: we may need to provide hints
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cris: we discussed both protocol description and behavior
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... in some cases, the protocol is stateful with reused resources
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... sometimes there is an option to close after each transaction
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... we need a way to explain this in the description
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... if we dramatically change the way we describe protocols, we need to account for this in the container design
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... so we probably should discuss the protocol description up front
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ege: tomorrow we could discuss adding security definitions in the container
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... in cases like OpenAPI, there is a "component" for everything that is reusable. Should we do something like this?
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... it is a common reference mechanism
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... any quick remarks?
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... adjourned
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