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14:13:35 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
14:13:38 <kaz> chair: Ege
14:14:05 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Kunihiko_Toumura, Mahda_Noura
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14:15:47 <mjk> topic: agenda
14:15:58 <kaz> scribenick: mjk
14:16:09 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#October_9-10%2C_2024
14:16:19 <mjk> topic: TPAC summary
14:16:22 <kaz> q+
14:17:00 <kaz> * WoT Thing Description Slot 1: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-td-minutes.html
14:17:00 <kaz> * WoT Thing Description Slot 2: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/19-wot-td-minutes.html
14:17:03 <kaz> ack k
14:17:33 <mjk> s/TPAC summary/Previous minutes review
14:18:52 <EgeKorkan> q_
14:18:53 <mjk> ege: any changes?
14:18:55 <EgeKorkan> q?
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14:19:14 <mjk> ... minutes are approved
14:19:53 <mjk> ege: minutes from the 19th, any changes?
14:19:59 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:20:10 <mjk> ... minutes from September 19th approved
14:20:25 <mjk> topic: TPAC summary
14:21:13 <mjk> ege: (present and review the TD slides from TPAC)
14:22:14 <kaz> q+
14:22:44 <kaz> ack k
14:25:03 <mjk> ege: notable discussion was the relationship between bindings and profiles
14:25:46 <mjk> subtopic: review minutes from TPAC
14:26:21 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:26:32 <mjk> ege: any corrections or additions?
14:26:42 <mjk> ... approved
14:26:58 <EgeKorkan> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/112oOOoIx7prStCR8Bv6wLqUV5fN_At9btWE9_x7Ame0/edit?usp=sharing
14:27:02 <mjk> subtopic: report out from other meetings
14:27:26 <mjk> ege: linkML toolchain meeting
14:27:43 <mjk> ... attendance was not good, it was early in the morning
14:27:54 <mjk> ... overall good feedback
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14:28:32 <mjk> ... other SDO groups are also transitioning to linkML
14:28:36 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:28:48 <kaz> q+
14:29:28 <mjk> ege: registry breakout session
14:29:29 <kaz> q-
14:30:00 <mjk> s/session/session report
14:30:18 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#F2F_Planning WoT main wiki - F2F section (to be updated with the breakout minutes URLs)
14:31:33 <mjk> ege: not large attendance but we connected with other people working on the registry topic
14:32:45 <mjk> ... our feedback is that the process is too open, which is by design
14:32:55 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:33:07 <mjk> ... any comments or questions?
14:33:21 <mjk> ege: JSON-LD session report out
14:34:11 <mjk> ... there is a pending update to JSON-LD to include RDF-Star
14:34:56 <mjk> ... CBOR-LD will have a context registry for compression
14:35:33 <mjk> ... YAML-LD is done, no surprises
14:35:49 <Cris> q+
14:36:46 <luca_barbato> q+
14:36:51 <mjk> cris: is there a way to convert YAML comments to $comment in JSON?
14:37:13 <mjk> ... it may not be standardized
14:37:14 <luca_barbato> https://json5.org/
14:38:12 <mjk> luca: there is JSON5 which is for configuration
14:39:08 <mjk> cris: JSON5 may be a better approach
14:39:21 <Cris> https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/json#_json-with-comments (says that is vscode specific)
14:39:41 <mjk> luca: YAML is a superset of JSON
14:40:09 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/26-wot-minutes.html#t11
14:40:31 <Cris> ack c
14:41:42 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:41:43 <mjk> ege: no news on canonicalization
14:41:46 <EgeKorkan> ack l
14:42:31 <mjk> ege: @type issue of collision with JSON Schema type
14:42:44 <mjk> ... need to clarify what is happening
14:44:29 <mjk> ... normative references to JSON Schema may not be resolved after all
14:45:09 <mjk> kaz: we should continue to watch the situation with the VC specification
14:45:47 <mjk> kaz: the question from W3C viewpoint is if the resource is stable
14:46:53 <mjk> ... could talk with Philippe if we want to go this direction
14:47:06 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:47:41 <mjk> ... any other comments?
14:47:48 <mjk> topic: tooling
14:48:05 <kaz> q?
14:48:22 <mjk> ege: would like to have the meetings every 2 weeks, using the TD zoom link
14:49:32 <mjk> topic: initial connection
14:49:43 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2040
14:49:48 <mjk> PR #2040
14:49:59 <mjk> s/PR/ege: PR
14:50:38 <mjk> ege: there is a proposal and Luca has extended, Ben Francis has commented
14:50:44 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2040|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2040 wot-thing-description PR 2040 - Initial/Common Connection Container Proposal|
14:51:56 <mjk> ege: some remaining questions like what is a subprotocol?
14:52:41 <mjk> ... propose to focus on the container architecture and discuss the terminology later
14:54:07 <mjk> luca: the problem is from where we want to start. How can we set defaults, and how can we describe protocols with less ambiguity
14:54:55 <Cris> q+
14:55:34 <mjk> ege: the reuse mechanism can be discussed separately
14:56:47 <mjk> luca: the proposal allows the consumer to decide on connection reuse, and it is protocol specific
14:58:14 <mjk> ... for example, some protocols like QUIC provide a built-in persistent connection and a client can decide whether to use it or nor
14:58:19 <mjk> s/nor/not
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15:00:37 <EgeKorkan> q?
15:00:53 <mjk> luca: we may need to provide hints
15:00:53 <kaz> s/topic: agenda//
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15:01:48 <mjk> cris: we discussed both protocol description and behavior
15:02:12 <mjk> ... in some cases, the protocol is stateful with reused resources
15:02:33 <mjk> ... sometimes there is an option to close after each transaction
15:03:02 <mjk> ... we need a way to explain this in the description
15:03:43 <mjk> ... if we dramatically change the way we describe protocols, we need to account for this in the container design
15:04:20 <mjk> ... so we probably should discuss the protocol description up front
15:04:47 <mjk> ege: tomorrow we could discuss adding security definitions in the container
15:06:00 <mjk> ... in cases like OpenAPI, there is a "component" for everything that is reusable. Should we do something like this?
15:06:19 <mjk> ... it is a common reference mechanism
15:06:40 <mjk> ... any quick remarks?
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15:07:20 <mjk> ... adjourned
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