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14:22:51 <ddahl> meeting: Voice Interaction
14:23:01 <ddahl> chair: debbie
14:23:09 <ddahl> scribe: ddahl
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14:30:30 <ddahl> present:dirk, debbie, gerard
14:32:10 <ddahl> dirk: Robin paper should help us figure out which kinds of assistants exist
14:34:08 <ddahl> Value Co-creation in smart services: a functional affordances perspective
14:34:25 <ddahl> (presentation will be posted to the mailing list)
14:35:08 <ddahl> dirk: smart personal assistant doesn't need to be personal
14:35:38 <ddahl> ...there is not agreeded upon term
14:36:36 <ddahl> ... material properties are important, there's a taxonomy in the paper
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14:45:51 <ddahl> debbie: not sure how a robot would it into the hardware slot
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14:46:46 <ddahl> gerard: how does the sharing of your personal data with a cloud provider fit into this?
14:47:16 <ddahl> dirk: handling of personal data doesn't fit, but that's the only thing I can think of
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14:49:52 <ddahl> could add a row for data sharing
14:50:11 <ddahl> dirk: don't share, share encrypted to trusted parties, or share completely
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14:53:16 <ddahl> dirk: vectorized the SPA's and clustered them
14:56:43 <ddahl> ...reviews the clusters
14:57:43 <ddahl> ...three clusters, passive observers, chatbots, virtual anthropomorphic advisors
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14:58:31 <ddahl> ...cluster 3 is the most common
14:59:09 <ddahl> ... 4th cluster is voice facilitators
14:59:39 <ddahl> ...can also control objects in a smart home
15:00:19 <ddahl> ...cluster 6 is general activity assistants, like Alexa
15:00:37 <ddahl> s/three clusters/five clusters
15:01:25 <ddahl> dirk: the interesting part is the 5 clusters
15:02:19 <ddahl> dirk: what is the diffeence between voice facilitators and general activity assistants
15:03:37 <ddahl> ...perhaps adaptabiliyt
15:05:52 <ddahl> ...also voice facilitators are bound to a domain
15:06:55 <ddahl> dirk: we should acknowledge that there are different kinds of agents and refer to them in our papers
15:07:59 <ddahl> debbie: we could eliminate some clusters
15:08:04 <ddahl> dirk: chatbots
15:08:56 <ddahl> debbie: cluster 2, 3
15:10:27 <ddahl> gerard: a personal assistant should not be shared with other users
15:11:48 <ddahl> dirk: also in-scope are clusters 4 and 5
15:12:49 <ddahl> debbie: we have to think of more user-friendly names
15:13:47 <ddahl> ...maybe cluster 4 and cluster 5 could have the same name
15:16:42 <ddahl> debbie: our standards could apply to several clusters
15:16:55 <ddahl> dirk: we should think about that
15:17:57 <ddahl> debbie: we need to capture the personal/general assistant distinguished
15:18:48 <ddahl> gerard: a personal assistant should not be shared
15:19:45 <ddahl> dirk: two meanings of personal, one belongs to the user, also the personal assistant could adapt but the data could be shared
15:19:57 <ddahl> ...personal means that it knows the user
15:20:09 <ddahl> ...and it knows how the user acts
15:20:39 <ddahl> dirk: this can cause some confusion
15:22:16 <ddahl> dirk: user-adaptive means the ability to adapt to the user
15:24:44 <ddahl> dirk: data shared outside the device
15:25:38 <ddahl> debbie: they could add the row and recluster
15:27:21 <ddahl> action: dirk to respond to Robin about the discussion today
15:27:58 <ddahl> debbie: they could also include LLMs
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16:58:22 <ddahl> s/Robin/Robin's
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