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14:59:08 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:59:09 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
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15:01:31 <Fazio> chair: Fazio
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15:01:38 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
15:01:38 <Fazio> Agenda+TPAC Debrief
15:01:38 <Fazio> Agenda+ Publication Next Steps
15:01:38 <Fazio> Agenda+ #17 The application of the model to decentralized organizations could be clarified, as could the nature and roles of the valid outputs of applying the model in an evaluation.
15:01:39 <gb> /issues/17 -> #17
15:01:40 <Fazio> Agenda+ #46 Requirements in section 3.4 could be clarified.
15:01:40 <Fazio> Agenda+ #52 Section 2 (and elsewhere, if necessary): broaden the range of standards relevant to the maturity model.
15:01:40 <gb> /issues/52 -> #52
15:01:40 <gb> /issues/46 -> #46
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15:01:52 <jkline> present+
15:01:53 <Fazio> present+
15:02:02 <Mark_Miller> Present+
15:02:10 <janina> present+
15:02:52 <Sheri_B-H> scribe+
15:03:33 <janina> regrets: Stacy, Angela
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15:04:22 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:04:22 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:04:24 <CharlesL> present+
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15:05:06 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, close item
15:05:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Sheri_B-H
15:05:17 <IrfanA> zakim, close this item
15:05:17 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:05:18 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:18 <Zakim> 7. TPAC Debrief [from Fazio]
15:05:30 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:05:30 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- TPAC Debrief -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:05:37 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2024
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15:06:01 <NehaJ3> present+
15:06:09 <Dr_Keith8> present+
15:06:14 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: good meeting, avoiding potential conflicts
15:06:20 <NehaJ3> I think Dr. Keith and I are in differernt room
15:06:37 <Sheri_B-H> janina: details are in the wiki link
15:07:04 <Sheri_B-H> janina: thanks to Charles for telling the Benetech story
15:07:19 <SusiPallero> present
15:07:26 <SusiPallero> present+
15:08:02 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: did anything during the meeting constrain the scope or slow us down
15:08:17 <Sheri_B-H> janina: we have a good path forward, nothing will slow us down
15:08:28 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, close this item
15:08:28 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
15:08:29 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:29 <Zakim> 8. Publication Next Steps [from Fazio]
15:08:35 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:08:35 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Publication Next Steps -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:09:31 <NehaJ3> Can someone share the link with us?
15:09:37 <Dr_Keith8> Hello. Neha and I cannot find the wiki link.  can someone paste the meeting URL porfavor?
15:10:06 <Sheri_B-H> we can't paste it then it becomes public
15:11:13 <CharlesL> Here is the Benetech endorcement I gave at TPAC on the Maturity Model.
15:11:13 <CharlesL> Benetech Endorsement of W3C’s Accessibility Maturity Model
15:11:13 <CharlesL> During the Vancouver TPAC breakout session, Benetech learned about the Accessibility Maturity Model that the APA was developing. We decided not only to join the task force to help develop this model but also to use it to evaluate every department at Benetech, determining our accessibility maturity as a nonprofit company. Last year, one of our OKRs (Objective Key Results) was to implement the Accessibility Maturity Model and set realist
15:11:13 <CharlesL> ic future goals to improve our overall maturity in each department and as a company. Benetech is also exploring a consulting service that leverages the Accessibility Maturity Model to help other organizations in the education ecosystem improve their accessibility maturity.
15:12:16 <Sheri_B-H> janina: two issues - clear the rest of git hub, and start with messaging
15:13:07 <Sheri_B-H> janina: we could create a repository for files and then have Shaun review them
15:13:52 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: Sheri volunteered to handle messaging based on what we did with the original publication
15:14:46 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, close item
15:14:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Sheri_B-H
15:14:59 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, close this item
15:14:59 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
15:15:00 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:15:00 <Zakim> 9. #17 The application of the model to decentralized organizations could be clarified, as could the nature and roles of the valid outputs of applying the model in an evaluation.
15:15:00 <Zakim> ... [from Fazio]
15:15:00 <gb> /issues/17 -> #17
15:15:09 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:15:09 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- #17 The application of the model to decentralized organizations could be clarified, as could the nature and roles of the valid outputs of applying the model in an
15:15:12 <Zakim> ... evaluation. -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:16:10 <Sheri_B-H> David: to check email invite for links to the meeting
15:16:33 <Sheri_B-H> janina: check the communications page for the correct link
15:19:27 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: read the issue out loud
15:20:04 <Sheri_B-H> q+
15:20:12 <jkline> queue+
15:21:09 <janina> q?
15:21:28 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: Should we add a use case
15:21:30 <Sheri_B-H> q-
15:21:31 <janina> q+
15:21:34 <Sheri_B-H> q-
15:22:16 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: this is a pretty old ticket, a lot of stuff has changed since then.  Thinks it is a slippery slope to add guidance on how to roll things up.
15:24:00 <Sheri_B-H> janina: agrees with jkline, there are too many variations on how an organization could decide how to handle this
15:24:57 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: do we want to add a couple of use cases?
15:25:01 <Dr_Keith8> q+
15:25:06 <Sheri_B-H> janina: that might help solve this problem
15:25:09 <Sheri_B-H> q-
15:25:12 <Sheri_B-H> q-
15:25:21 <CharlesL> ack jkline
15:25:36 <Sheri_B-H> ack janina
15:26:14 <Sheri_B-H> Dr_Keith8: keep the use cases general, one or two.  could be helpful
15:26:27 <Sheri_B-H> ack Dr_Keith8
15:26:37 <Sheri_B-H> ack Dr_Keith8
15:27:38 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: team reviewed existing use cases independently
15:28:12 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: Existing use cases are in 4.2.1 to 4.2.8, just add two more there
15:29:02 <Fazio> xThe Task Force has agreed to add additional use cases in an appendix to provide examples. We do not believe we should instruct users on how to apply the model in this circumstance
15:30:32 <Sheri_B-H> Mark_Miller: add to the beginning "Consistent with ISO-9000 and other standards, ..."
15:32:08 <Sheri_B-H> Mark_Miller offered to help Dr_Keith8
15:32:15 <Sheri_B-H> Dr_Keith8 said two week ETA
15:32:53 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, close this item
15:32:53 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Sheri_B-H
15:33:02 <Sheri_B-H> ack Dr_Keith8
15:33:04 <Fazio> q?
15:33:08 <janina> q?
15:33:13 <janina> ack d
15:33:18 <janina> q?
15:33:30 <Sheri_B-H> zakim close this item
15:33:36 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, close this item
15:33:36 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
15:33:37 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:33:37 <Zakim> 10. #46 Requirements in section 3.4 could be clarified. [from Fazio]
15:33:37 <gb> /issues/46 -> #46
15:33:50 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:33:50 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- #46 Requirements in section 3.4 could be clarified. -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:34:41 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: read ticket out loud
15:35:55 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/46
15:35:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/46 -> Issue 46 Requirements in section 3.4 could be clarified. (by jasonjgw)
15:36:23 <jkline> q+
15:37:33 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: It was never our intention to define success, it was only our intent to define whether something was done, not done well
15:37:41 <Sheri_B-H> ack jkline
15:38:24 <Sheri_B-H> Jkline: Disagrees with the commenter
15:38:52 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: there is a proofpoint in every dimension about setting goals
15:40:10 <Fazio> Dimension Goals and Metrics
15:40:26 <Fazio> Dimension-related goals are established, metrics are defined, and progress is tracked
15:40:37 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio:will point commenter to the fact that we added a Dimension Goals and Metrics section after the ticket was logged
15:41:30 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:41:30 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- #52 Section 2 (and elsewhere, if necessary): broaden the range of standards relevant to the maturity model. -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:41:30 <gb> /issues/52 -> #52
15:41:49 <Sheri_B-H> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/52
15:41:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/52 -> Issue 52 Section 2 (and elsewhere, if necessary): broaden the range of standards relevant to the maturity model. (by jasonjgw)
15:43:12 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio:commented on 8/28
15:43:33 <Sheri_B-H> janina: person who filed issue will get a notification when we close it, if they don't like the answer they can reopen
15:43:43 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio:will close issue
15:44:17 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:44:17 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Sheri_B-H
15:44:33 <CharlesL> agenda?
15:45:41 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: we need to determine what we are doing with the assessment tool.  Sheri_B-H mentioned this at TPAC
15:45:48 <janina> q+
15:45:52 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: should we open an issue?
15:46:34 <Sheri_B-H> janina: it's an agenda item, it will be a priority after we publish
15:47:02 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio:We did leave the assessment issues to the end, intentionally.
15:47:11 <Sheri_B-H> janina: It isn't forgotten
15:47:35 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio:Finish the narrative, then work on the tool
15:48:12 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: need instructions for assessment tool also
15:48:35 <Sheri_B-H> janina: we can set expectations for this publication in the messaging
15:48:45 <CharlesL> q+
15:48:51 <Sheri_B-H> ack janina
15:49:02 <Sheri_B-H> ack CharlesL
15:49:29 <Sheri_B-H> to jkline's point, it would help to have some instructions for the Excel on how to implement the specification
15:49:47 <Sheri_B-H> oops, that was CharlesL
15:50:09 <Sheri_B-H> CharlesL: the sheet has changed, instructions could go on the cover sheet
15:50:20 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: volunteered to start writing it
15:51:20 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: can draft instructions and send it to CharlesL to update the spreadsheet
15:51:40 <Sheri_B-H> CharlesL: most recent version is sitting in a PR
15:52:32 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, end meeting
15:52:32 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Dr_Keith, NehaJ, Mark_Miller, janina, JXZ, SusiPallero, AngelaBarker, Sheri_B-H, jkline, CharlesL, IrfanA
15:52:35 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:52:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/09-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:52:44 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Sheri_B-H; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:53:26 <NehaJ3> exit
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15:53:47 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:53:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items