12:56:17 RRSAgent has joined #coga 12:56:22 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/10/08-coga-irc 12:56:22 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:56:23 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 12:56:23 chair: julierawe 12:56:41 Meeting: WCAG 3 Implied Meaning subgroup meeting 12:56:51 date: 08 oct 2024 12:56:58 JohnRochford has joined #coga 12:56:59 regrets: Mike B 12:57:06 zakim, clear agenda 12:57:06 agenda cleared 12:57:14 present+ 12:57:24 Agenda+ User centered outcomes 12:57:42 Agenda+ Latest version of the decision tree 12:57:45 present+ 12:58:45 Laura_Carlson has joined #coga 13:04:42 regrets: makoto, rain 13:04:48 present+ Laura_Carlson 13:05:34 present+ kirkwood 13:05:57 present+ LenB 13:06:51 kirkwood has joined #COGA 13:07:02 zakim, next item 13:07:02 agendum 1 -- User centered outcomes -- taken up [from julierawe0] 13:07:23 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit#bookmark=id.64z4tydyk33a 13:07:56 LenB has joined #coga 13:08:02 present+ 13:09:27 AG wants all of the WCAG 3 outcomes to be reworded so the user is at the center 13:09:37 present+ 13:10:26 Jan has joined #coga 13:10:34 present+ 13:15:05 Laura_Carlson Would expanding the outcome also expand the scope? 13:15:17 Frankie has joined #coga 13:15:22 present+ 13:15:47 LenB If the industry is translating idiom to idiom, then authors still need to the translating into literal meaning 13:19:46 present+ Jan 13:19:59 kirkwood Can we emphasize making users aware? 13:22:54 it is clearly indicated when non literal langauge is being used 13:23:27 JohnRochford I suggest "Users can access literal text content or the implied meaning of non-literal text content" 13:24:42 there is a clear indication when implied meaning is present for understanding 13:25:33 kirkwood There needs to be clear indication that non-literal text is present 13:25:42 JohnRochford That sounds like a technique to me 13:26:04 jan Will people know it's a technique if it's not included in the outcome? 13:27:12 Jan Is there a way other than typography to indicate non-literal? 13:27:20 kirkwood Dialing such as color or indentation 13:35:30 Jan We're going against the concept of plain language 13:36:21 Users can access direct text or get explanations for the implied meaning in non-literal text, like jokes, sarcasm, metaphors, idioms, and emojis. 13:39:12 Jan has joined #coga 13:40:02 Let's pause on the outcome for now and refine it later 13:40:12 zakim, next agenda item 13:40:12 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, julierawe0 13:40:16 q? 13:40:37 ack Jennie_Delisi 13:40:52 zakim, next item 13:40:52 agendum 2 -- Latest version of the decision tree -- taken up [from julierawe0] 13:40:55 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit#bookmark=id.64z4tydyk33a 13:42:22 JohnRochford has joined #coga 13:47:12 The new 3-question decision tree that we drafted today is designed to make authors responsible but leave room for the possibility that user agents/assistive technology may improve to the point of sufficiency. 13:48:35 is there an indication that nonliteral language is present? i 13:53:19 Jan The 2nd question means you have two answer yes to two things. Can we split into two questions? 13:54:18 kirkwood I agree it's confusing to have two-parts to a binary question 14:01:41 LenB I would like an explanation for why we say presented to user agents as opposed to available to user agents? 14:02:34 Laura_Carlson has left #coga 14:02:36 Jan, Len, Laura, Kirkwood all like the new 4-question version 14:02:45 Julie will send follow-up email 14:02:53 rrsagent, make minutes 14:02:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/08-coga-minutes.html julierawe0 14:14:05 kirkwood has joined #COGA 15:00:07 kirkwood has joined #COGA 15:00:33 ShawnT has joined #coga 17:20:59 kirkwood has joined #COGA 18:19:36 ShawnT has joined #coga 18:39:15 ShawnT has joined #coga