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13:58:53 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
13:58:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
13:58:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/08-Adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
13:59:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Introductions. Updates.
13:59:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ TPAC follow-ups
13:59:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Well Known Destinations
13:59:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Symbols
13:59:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Recruitment
13:59:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> meeting: Adapt Weekly Teleconference 8 October 2024
14:00:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:00:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
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14:01:25 <janina> zakim, who's here?
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14:01:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lionel_Wolberger, Roy, gb
14:01:33 <janina> agenda?
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14:03:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://userway.zoom.us/j/7758580217?pwd=Ulo2bVB3SFFiVWNYbHNlbXp2dEw2UT09
14:04:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> Workaround, Zoom:
14:04:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> Meeting ID: 775 858 0217
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14:05:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:05:59 <Annalu> hi folk - can someone post the zoom link pleaese
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14:07:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:07:43 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introductions. Updates. -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:07:50 <matatk> agenda?
14:07:59 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Glad to be back
14:08:08 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Looking at calendar ...
14:09:24 <janina> zakim, next item
14:09:24 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC follow-ups -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:09:31 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2024
14:09:58 <matatk> Highly recommend watching this stream of W3C @ 30: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/w3c-30.html
14:10:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Added the link to the APA WIKI page where APA is capturing the Adapt actions as well
14:10:52 <janina> matatk: Notes above wiki will have followon actions, minutes to meetings, etc
14:11:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... on both Symbols and Destinations we have a clear path forward to implementation, with no blockers
14:11:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: WHATWG felt that they have existing technology to achieve our goals
14:12:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it is up to us to examine that, and either agree or inform them otherwise
14:12:13 <janina> matatk: On both symbols and destionations we should prototype. WHAT belief is that we have sufficient ml
14:12:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Regarding Destinations on Link Sets, the Link Set document is basically a different way of doing what you can do today with HTML markup
14:12:33 <janina> janina: If not, we show show why and how via prototype
14:12:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we will show a way of using 'rel
14:12:56 <janina> s/show show/should show/
14:13:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... to reproduce these results
14:13:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this 'rel' approach will work with subsites
14:13:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... if this approach achieves uptake and adoption, we could look to a phase II with linksets to supply functionality missing with this markup
14:14:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Adapt is asked to produce a Note Track document giving this 'Best Practice' which leverages the HTML infrastructure (and 'rel') to achieve the use case of Well Known Destinations
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14:16:09 <janina> Abhinav: Confirming? Build rhel and linksets?
14:16:09 <janina> matatk: Yes
14:16:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> Abhinav: The linkset is a way of making the HTML markup more performant
14:17:08 <janina> matatk: WHAT suggests existing HTML already supports our use cases, just not used yet on the web. We should go that way
14:17:34 <janina> matatk: We will define best practices with existing ML
14:17:42 <janina> s/will/can/
14:18:26 <janina> matatk: Open questions on what/how to do subsites, but subsites are supportable with existing ML
14:18:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:19:23 <janina> matatk: On symbols WHAT suggests ...
14:19:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Regarding symbols, we have supporters. We are being asked to try a particular approach.
14:20:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the approach that WHAT-WG advocated is to use existing markup, like a ruby element (with an added attribute to hide it from most people)
14:21:45 <Russell> q+
14:22:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... they suggest (a) take an existing symbol set, say ARASAAC (2) convert it to a font with a known process (3) the font will be keyed on the code points for the bliss subset that is going into unicode
14:22:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... example tea is, in bliss, two code points (a) and (b). The font can be constructed to render the proper symbol
14:23:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: We expressed the concern that this takes great expertise, making fonts out of symbol sets
14:24:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... WHAT-WG responded, we should try this first
14:24:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: Great news, but does raise the question of making graphic representation systems within the constrains of a font
14:24:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this can be compared with emojis.
14:27:54 <janina> matatk: q?
14:28:03 <janina> q?
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14:29:18 <Annalu> me too russell
14:29:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: There are multiple issues with this direction.
14:30:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Let's compare it with spelling in different languages: imagine a font that can render the correct work in English, and in French
14:30:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... The Unicode blocker will not clear in the near future.
14:31:32 <Annalu> We need to find funding to complete the Unicode proposal
14:32:38 <janina> q+
14:32:42 <janina> ack rus
14:35:41 <Annalu> ?
14:35:49 <Annalu> q?
14:37:30 <matatk> q+ to talk about chapter titles
14:37:34 <matatk> ack janina
14:43:40 <janina> q+
14:44:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Much discussion about the status of the Bliss Community in relation to Unicode.
14:46:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: We spoke to them about Chapter Titles in media
14:46:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... they pointed out there are multiple standards in motion regarding time-based media
14:46:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... James Craig from Apple is involved in metadata for media (as well as being a Unicode supporter)
14:46:53 <Annalu> I will send a summary around as to where we are in the Unicode proposal. I will do this over the weekend.
14:47:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... chapter titles are text strings.
14:49:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Proposal on how to work
14:49:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Historically APA has worked not only in teleconference and annually
14:50:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we have sometimes had problem solving meetings, and face-to-face meetings somewhere appropriate
14:50:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I propose we have a face-to-face meeting
14:50:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... such a meeting can, in a single get together, work out more than can be done in weekly piecemeal fashion
14:54:40 <Annalu> I would be very happy to meet up. So sorry but I need to go to teach. Also apologies  but I will not be able to attend on Tuesdays from 22nd - hope to rejoin when I can.
14:57:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:58:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
14:58:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Russell, janina, matatk, Lionel_Wolberger, Abhinav
14:58:51 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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14:58:57 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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