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13:53:20 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes public
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13:54:27 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:54:28 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:54:28 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/08/30-forms-minutes
13:54:45 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0003
13:54:59 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:55:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html Steven
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13:59:38 <Steven> Topic: XML Summer School Report
13:59:38 <Steven> https://xmlsummerschool.org
14:01:38 <Steven> Steven: Tutorial went well
14:01:53 <Steven> ... health app going ahead in Ukraine, and possibly also Africa
14:02:01 <Steven> Topic: W3C CG revamp meeting
14:02:01 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/25-cg-revamp-minutes.html
14:04:07 <Steven> Steven: Just a heads up about the meeting.
14:04:18 <Steven> Topic: Action vs Trigger
14:04:18 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0001
14:04:53 <Steven> Steven: More a shower thought than anything
14:05:53 <Steven> Topic: ixml
14:05:53 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2024Sep/0001
14:06:33 <Steven> Steven: Looks good Alain
14:07:11 <Steven> Alain: I have implemented the XPath function
14:08:15 <Steven> ... it's not very efficient used in MIPS yet.
14:09:02 <Steven> Erik: XForms doesn't have vars in the model; my implementation does.
14:09:48 <Steven> ... Steven: Should we add variables to the model
14:09:54 <Steven> Alain: Would be useful
14:10:07 <Steven> s/... Steven/Steven
14:10:21 <Steven> Erik: We would have to specify when they are evaluated and reevaluated.
14:10:46 <Steven> Erik: In the view it is obvious, but in the model is not so obvious
14:11:22 <Steven> Steven: You have a solution
14:11:30 <Steven> Erik: we picked something.
14:11:38 <Steven> ... we evaluate at multiple points
14:11:44 <Steven> ...at a rebuild for instance
14:12:10 <Steven> Steven: So this needs investigation
14:12:36 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to report evaluating vars in model
14:12:44 <Steven> Erik: It is extremely useful
14:13:23 <Steven> Topic: XForms Tutorial/XForms Quick Reference @ Declarative Amsterdam
14:13:23 <Steven> https://cwi.nl/~steven/xforms/generic/examples/restore.xhtml
14:13:42 <Steven> Steven: Just a reminder
14:13:57 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven spec text for 'initial' MIP
14:14:18 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0004.html
14:15:47 <Steven> Erik: We only do it on insert if <insert/> has an attribute saying it should be initialised
14:16:11 <ebruchez> xxf:default="true"
14:19:42 <Steven> Erik: The Model Initialization part should explicitely mention the instance MIPs
14:20:13 <Steven> ACTION: Steven update the initial property spec.
14:20:40 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:21:13 <Steven> Steven Next meeting next week.
14:21:20 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:21:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html Steven
14:21:47 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:21:49 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:21:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html Steven
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