IRC log of ixml on 2024-10-01

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13:41:23 [Steven]

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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/08/20-ixml-minutes

13:43:31 [Steven]

Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2024Sep/0009

13:43:49 [Steven]

Meeting: Invisible Markup Bi-weekly Teleconference

13:43:57 [Steven]

Chair: Steven

13:44:05 [Steven]

Scribe: NDW

13:54:32 [norm]

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13:54:51 [Steven]

scribenick: norm

13:55:22 [norm]

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13:55:23 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/01-ixml-minutes.html norm

13:55:30 [Steven]

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minuts', Steven. Try /msg RRSAgent help

13:59:50 [norm]

ACTION: NW to add xsltforms implementation to the website

14:00:47 [norm]

Present: Norm, Steven, Nico, Bethan, David

14:01:02 [norm]

Topic: Welcome, David

14:01:24 [norm]

David Birnbaum joins from the east coast of the US. New to iXML but an old hand at XML.

14:02:42 [norm]

Topic: Approve the agenda

14:02:58 [norm]

Steven suggests adding a report from the TPAC meeting.

14:03:08 [norm]

Approved.

14:03:23 [norm]

Topic: Approve the minutes of the previous meeting

14:03:28 [norm]

Approved.

14:03:37 [norm]

Topic: Next meeting, 15 October

14:03:39 [norm]

No regrets heard.

14:03:45 [norm]

Topic: Open action items

14:04:01 [norm]

Steven: I got little done in the past month, but I have done a few action items.

14:04:23 [norm]

Steven: I believe I've resolved my issues with GitHub.

14:05:33 [norm]

Steven: I've drafted a PR for #263, will make a pull request.

14:06:06 [norm]

Norm: will work with BTW on the XML vocabulary documentation

14:06:49 [norm]

Steven: We will have to drop 2024-04-16a

14:07:14 [norm]

2024-04-16-b is completed

14:07:26 [norm]

2024-04-16-c is completed

14:09:10 [norm]

Norm will investigate 2024-04-30-a, status is unclear

14:09:43 [norm]

2024-04-30-b continues

14:10:10 [norm]

Topic: Status reports

14:10:30 [norm]

Steven: W3C had a meeting about the status of community groups. Both Norm and I planned to attend, but failed to.

14:10:56 [norm]

... I tried to work out what the issues were. From the IRC script, they want to make sure that groups are actually doing things, and things that further the W3C mission.

14:11:21 [norm]

... and also they seem to think that it's important that specifications make their way into the normal standards track.

14:11:32 [norm]

Norm: Wat? They closed the XML Activity!

14:11:42 [norm]

Steven: I'm just going to wait to see if they say anything about it.

14:12:46 [norm]

Steven: The other thing I wanted to report is that we have a new implementation from xsltforms.

14:12:54 [norm]

... It looks like a good implementation.

14:13:00 [norm]

... So we now have two in JavaScript.

14:13:15 [norm]

Steven: Nothing else to report.

14:13:38 [norm]

... Well, I could say that at the end of the week I did a half hour talk at XML Summer School.

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... I've also been asked to do the tutorial at Declarative Amsterdam again.

14:13:54 [norm]

Norm: I have nothing to report.

14:14:30 [norm]

Bethan: I have to submit my PhD corrections in three weeks, more after that!

14:15:18 [norm]

Topic: Issue #262

14:15:19 [norm]

https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/pull/262

14:15:59 [norm]

Shall we merge it?

14:16:03 [norm]

Agreement.

14:17:53 [norm]

Topic: Issue #268

14:18:35 [norm]

Norm: There are lots of "name" characters in XML that aren't in iXML.

14:18:52 [norm]

Steven: I once proposed that our renaming proposal could include a string.

14:19:12 [norm]

...On the right hand side of ">" you have either a name or a string.

14:19:25 [norm]

Bethan: Would you need names, aren't they strings?

14:19:39 [norm]

Steven: They've always been the same syntax until now.

14:20:00 [norm]

Norm: With the normative note that the string has to conform to an XML name.

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ACTION: SP to try out the renaming to a string.

14:22:54 [norm]

ACTION: NTW to draft prose that expands on the discrepancy in names between iXML and XML.

14:23:31 [norm]

ACTION: NTW to draft a document that describes the discrepancy in more detail.

14:25:25 [norm]

ACTION: NTW to make sure that pragmas are on the agenda for next time.

14:26:00 [norm]

Steven: I fixed #250, it'll be in my upcoming pull request.

14:28:01 [norm]

Steven: #168 is really v.next, not an issue on the current spec

14:28:59 [norm]

Steven: #75 is also v.next

14:30:58 [norm]

Topic: Issue #266

14:31:45 [norm]

General agreement that we should fix the tests.

14:32:03 [norm]

ACTION: SP to review the ixml tests and correct the grammar

14:33:11 [norm]

Topic: Issue #139

14:33:48 [norm]

Steven: I think we agreed to include both versions of the RFC grammar, the literal translation of the ABNF and the one I did that provides more structure.

14:33:57 [norm]

ACTION: SP to make a PR to add his version to the repsoitory.

14:34:32 [norm]

Topic: Any other business?

14:34:51 [norm]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/01-ixml-minutes.html norm

14:35:44 [norm]

Adjourned.