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14:47:05 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
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14:47:58 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Risk of reputational harm to organizations displaying inaccurate accessibility metadata · Issue #402
14:48:15 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ News from meeting with schema.org developers at TPAC.
14:48:28 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Is the user experience guide covering use case of libraries providing accessible content to people with disabilities.
14:48:55 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Explain the metadata workflow in 2.2 · Issue #397
14:49:15 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Publications that are both full audio and synchronized audio/text · Issue #399
14:49:47 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business
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15:05:17 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Risk of reputational harm to organizations displaying inaccurate accessibility metadata · Issue #402 -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
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15:05:42 <George> present+Tobias
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15:05:48 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/402
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15:06:51 <George> Received feedback issue 402
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15:07:48 <George> A professor said we should indicate no certification is available. This has lead to a discussion.
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15:07:52 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:09:49 <George> Christopher: From a library perspective. If not available you filter out and could display if it is available.
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15:11:21 <George> Charles: what to display The debate is should we display if there is no certification.
15:11:29 <AvneeshSingh> ack hadr
15:12:33 <George> Hadrian:So far we have not seen a lot of metadata. If there is some info and we are not displaying, it is the dedtrament to the end user.
15:12:59 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:13:10 <Chris_ONIX> q+
15:13:11 <George> We are designing for the world.
15:13:36 <George> Avneesh: It may be important for some parts of the world.
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15:15:34 <George> Avneesh: We should create a note that there is the option there is an option to show not certified or that there was no certification information provided. You could also not display anything.
15:16:28 <CharlesL> q+
15:16:30 <George> Chris: We can only provide advice and you should use your own judgement.
15:17:42 <George> Charles: Is this when there is only a conformance statement, and not provided any certifiedby information.
15:18:07 <George> The publisher is already not following the 1.1 requirements.
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15:18:19 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:18:29 <George> Avneesh: Also, ae wetieing this up too much to EPUB?
15:18:31 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
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15:19:35 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:19:35 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- News from meeting with schema.org developers at TPAC. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:20:13 <George> From the EU we w we want to displayWCAG, and we do not know if the 1.1 will be required, which is where the certifiedBy comes from.
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15:21:59 <George> Note: there is uncertanity about the support for schema.org.
15:22:02 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:23:19 <George> Christopher: Who owns schema.org
15:24:25 <George> We participated in additions. It is a community group in the W3C.
15:26:00 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:26:29 <George> Christopher: From the library perspective, we were depending on it.
15:27:02 <George> Avneesh: Perhaps we should be looking at what we can do.
15:27:18 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:27:34 <George> Charles: Perhaps organize a schema.org community group meeting.
15:28:43 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:28:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Is the user experience guide covering use case of libraries providing accessible content to people with disabilities. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:29:21 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/401
15:29:46 <Hadrien> q+
15:29:52 <AvneeshSingh> ack hadr
15:29:56 <George> Avneesh: This is about libraries serving persons with disabilities using the Metadata guidelines? What do we need to do? Issue 401.
15:30:56 <George> Hadrian: Specialized libraries have used metadata close to what we have done. This is a good place to start from
15:31:01 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:31:24 <George> Avneesh: We should promote this as a start for specialized libraries.
15:31:54 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:32:01 <George> Hadrian: More content will be coming from the mainstream and having consistent metadata experience.
15:32:53 <George> Christopher: IFLA is working on this area and you can expect feedback. Public libraries and specialized libraries share records.
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15:33:12 <CharlesL> q+
15:33:21 <AvneeshSingh> ack charl
15:33:46 <George> We are thinking of using schema.org for metadata and we want to have a common user experience.
15:34:34 <ChrisOliverOttawa> q+
15:34:43 <George> Charles: NISO has an initiative for the development of metadata for remediated content. K-12, higher ed, and in the journal space. This is being developed.
15:35:03 <Tobias> I'm afraid I have to leave now. Will look forward to joining future meetings!
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15:35:51 <ccarr> Chris Oliver can speak to this
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15:36:47 <CharlesL> George: there is an internationalization group as part of this.  We are not going to translate the spec into multiple languages but would encourage the use of this spec outside the USA.
15:36:58 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:37:10 <ccarr> q+
15:37:27 <CharlesL> ... NISO claims to be international with members around the world.
15:37:32 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:38:34 <George> Chris: Christine: I am a member and I am interested in the interoperability of the NISO worl from the IFLA perspective. We want to understand the same things.
15:39:02 <George> It is great that there are many people working together.
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15:40:00 <George> Christopher: We have alternative materials, born accessible, and remediated. We want all to be in the same catlog and there needs to be harmony.
15:40:15 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:41:36 <George> Avneesh: We may need to write a crosswalk DAISY Crosswalk and our work.
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15:42:54 <CharlesL> George: materials in specialized libraries, is it appropriate to across the board populate it with the metadata audio book with navigaton but not provided in the daisy files itself.
15:43:12 <George> Hadrian: It is important to have this kind of infrences based on the nature of the format.
15:43:24 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:43:52 <George> Christopher: We at IFLA wanted to know if we could use schema.org to describe daisy content.
15:44:42 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:45:34 <George> Not all librariesproduce DAISY in exactly the same way. Are the books created in france the same in french canada.
15:45:49 <Chris_ONIX> q+
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15:47:09 <George> In finland we are at the beginning of using the same metadata and consistence in the presentation of metadata.
15:47:43 <George> Chris: ONIX already has information aout DAISY. It has been in for a long time.
15:48:09 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:48:14 <George> There is a crosswalk between schema, ONIX, MARC and IFLA is involved.
15:48:16 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:48:16 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Explain the metadata workflow in 2.2 · Issue #397 -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:48:16 <CharlesL> q+
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15:50:25 <CharlesL> https://rawcdn.githack.com/w3c/publ-a11y/b623ead4e2e986e41caf7cd8072bc6517afb0623/drafts/a11y-crosswalk-MARC/index.html
15:50:54 <George> Christopher: Makking changes based on the crosswalk of MARC There is also UNIMARC.
15:51:41 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:51:41 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, AvneeshSingh
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15:52:00 <George> Avneesh: There are comments on the diagram in the guide. We should wait until more of us are present.
15:52:02 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:52:03 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Publications that are both full audio and synchronized audio/text · Issue #399 -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:52:25 <George> Avneesh: Issue 399
15:52:30 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/399
15:53:32 <George> Hadrian: EPUB with medial overlay there may be partial synced audio and text or all. The current technique is one or the other.
15:53:55 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:55:54 <George> Hadrian: Audio only has a problem. Full audio is a better expression expeecially with media overlays an DAISY. When ther is full text and full audio it should be expressed.
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15:58:38 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
15:58:38 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, George, CharlesL, gpellegrino, ChrisOliverOttawa, Tobias, Chris_ONIX, Hadrien
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