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11:02:06 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
11:02:38 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ege_Korkan, Michael_McCool
11:02:58 <kaz> q+
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11:03:46 <EgeKorkan> brb
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11:05:44 <kaz> topic: Logistics
11:06:12 <kaz> kaz: would suggest Mizushima-san and McCool have coordination discussion before the official Use Cases call
11:06:22 <kaz> McCool: to be done in the future
11:06:58 <EgeKorkan> I am back
11:07:07 <kaz> q-
11:07:13 <kaz> s/I am back//
11:08:00 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
11:08:16 <kaz> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240918.md
11:08:37 <kaz> topic: Agenda review
11:08:47 <kaz> tm: (goes through the agenda)
11:08:57 <kaz> i|go|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240918.md agenda for today|
11:09:17 <kaz> q+
11:09:38 <kaz> q-
11:09:52 <kaz> kaz: TPAC discussion to be done earlier given it would be held next week
11:10:24 <kaz> tm: if any specific topics
11:10:40 <kaz> kaz: need to finalize the agenda items about UC during TPAC
11:11:08 <kaz> mm: we can talk about requirements after TPAC
11:11:56 <kaz> topic: Minutes
11:12:11 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-uc-minutes.html Sep-11
11:12:22 <kaz> tm: (goes through the minutes)
11:13:24 <kaz> approved
11:13:42 <kaz> topic: TPAC planning
11:13:59 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning#Use_Cases_and_Requirements TPAC WoT wiki
11:14:18 <kaz> tm: starts at 14:10?
11:14:36 <kaz> mm: yeah, 10-min opening first then Use Cases
11:14:46 <kaz> ... Use Cases to be discussed first
11:14:59 <kaz> ... then refactoring which would impact all the specs
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11:15:09 <kaz> ... think that's a right order
11:15:15 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
11:15:38 <kaz> ... note that registry discussion to be handled during the TD session
11:16:11 <kaz> ... btw, "where do requirements go" to be discused during the UC/Req session
11:16:32 <kaz> ... my slides have 5 pages, 2 mins for each
11:16:45 <kaz> ... then discussion
11:17:00 <kaz> ... we should have some slides prepared
11:17:26 <kaz> ... I've prepared slides for my part on requirements process
11:17:38 <kaz> ... technical vs functional
11:17:47 <kaz> ... separation of what and why
11:18:10 <EgeKorkan> q+
11:18:12 <kaz> ... would invite comments for that discussion
11:18:30 <EgeKorkan> ack e
11:18:33 <kaz> ek: may agree, but would see examples
11:18:46 <kaz> mm: will describe that using slides
11:19:25 <kaz> ... (describes some example about security)
11:19:55 <kaz> ... use cases will be motivation
11:20:11 <kaz> ek: agree
11:20:20 <kaz> mm: I'm ready, I think
11:20:32 <kaz> ... if you want, you can review my slides on GitHub
11:20:43 <kaz> ... btw, Mizushima-san, have you generated your slides yet?
11:20:49 <kaz> tm: not yet...
11:21:06 <kaz> ... some slides available, though
11:21:19 <kaz> mm: 3 slides on basics and demo would suffice
11:21:28 <kaz> ek: demo by Ege
11:21:43 <kaz> ... Ege, could you please generate some material for the demo?
11:21:53 <kaz> d/ek:/tm:/
11:21:53 <kaz> ek: ok
11:21:56 <kaz> q+
11:22:45 <kaz> kaz: ok for Ege to show the current work by the TD TF?
11:23:17 <kaz> q-
11:24:42 <kaz> tm: would like to Ege to present the current trial by the TD TF
11:24:53 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:24:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:24:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:25:38 <kaz> mm: let's allocate 5 mins for that purpose
11:25:52 <kaz> ... Ege can create one slide
11:25:53 <kaz> ek: ok
11:26:06 <kaz> mm: other than that, the current slides look fine
11:26:14 <kaz> ... please upload them on GitHub
11:26:26 <kaz> ... including screenshots would be nice
11:27:04 <kaz> kaz: Ege, you can generate one pager slide separately
11:27:18 <kaz> mm: anyway, please upload your slides, Mizushima-san
11:27:46 <kaz> topic: Schedule
11:28:10 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md
11:28:18 <kaz> mm: if go down...
11:28:25 <kaz> s/if/if you/
11:28:56 <kaz> ... Sep 24 was the original target for UCR Note publication
11:29:05 <kaz> ... but would not be feasible any more
11:29:19 <kaz> s/24/2024/
11:29:36 <kaz> ... in September, we'll have TPAC and then vacation
11:29:48 <kaz> ... so should say October instead
11:29:53 <kaz> ... then
11:30:08 <kaz> ... another goal to update the requirements section of the UCR doc by April next year
11:30:13 <kaz> q+
11:30:38 <kaz> ... by the end of October, we should be able to finalize the process
11:31:14 <kaz> ... (start to share the screen to edit the schedule)
11:32:13 <kaz> ... (applying the proposed changes)
11:33:00 <kaz> ... would like to propose...
11:33:37 <kaz> ... March, 2025 for updated UCR Note publication
11:34:03 <kaz> i/March/... October, 2024 for UCR process defined/
11:34:22 <kaz> ... need to define requirements for our spec work
11:34:24 <kaz> q?
11:34:57 <kaz> ack k
11:35:09 <kaz> kaz: need clarification for "process defined in Oct"
11:35:24 <kaz> ... within the UCR Note?
11:35:47 <kaz> mm: focus on capturing use cases
11:36:03 <kaz> ... if necessary, some use cases to describe that
11:36:49 <kaz> kaz: so concentrate on the description about the process
11:37:05 <kaz> ... and we don't need to capture actual use cases at the moment. right?
11:37:07 <kaz> mm: right
11:37:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:37:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:37:40 <kaz> kaz: ok
11:37:56 <kaz> mm: we have to wrap all the discussion quickly for that purpose
11:38:04 <kaz> ... then really focus on requirements next
11:38:35 <kaz> ... can/need to handle things in parallel
11:38:46 <kaz> ... any objections for those two changes?
11:38:49 <kaz> (none)
11:38:55 <kaz> merged
11:39:55 <kaz> s/merged/mm: PR has been created, and will be merged during the main call
11:40:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:40:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:40:23 <kaz> topic: Internal trial of new UC template
11:40:39 <kaz> ek: (shares his screen to describe that)
11:41:57 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2039 TD Issue 2039 - Using the New Use Case Template and Gathering Experience
11:42:12 <kaz> ek: there are several proposed UCs already
11:42:30 <kaz> ... put the UC template on the TD Issue 2039 as MD
11:42:44 <kaz> ... so that people can copy the template easily
11:42:55 <kaz> ... one from Daniel
11:43:25 <kaz> ... about property returning a set of values
11:43:57 <kaz> i|one from|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2039#issuecomment-2275330078 Daniel's example|
11:44:03 <kaz> ... the description is very technical
11:44:21 <kaz> mm: this is a feature request describing why we need some specific feature
11:44:23 <kaz> q+
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11:45:22 <kaz> ek: Daniel is assuming, e.g., Philips Hue
11:45:44 <kaz> mm: anyway, I need to give comments to this
11:45:57 <kaz> ... there are three examples on my slides too
11:46:40 <kaz> ek: if I do a demo based on this TD Issue, should it be done before your presentation?
11:47:31 <kaz> mm: before my requirements slides
11:47:55 <kaz> ... but we need to distinguish feature requests from requirements
11:48:05 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/296
11:48:21 <kaz> ek: have different example about history data also
11:48:59 <kaz> ... can talk about the details during the TD slot
11:49:53 <kaz> mm: can describe the three examples and mention the detailed to be handled during the TD slot
11:50:03 <kaz> s/describe/mention/
11:50:15 <kaz> q?
11:50:18 <kaz> q-
11:50:19 <kaz> q+
11:50:35 <kaz> ... let me quickly share my slide
11:51:49 <kaz> kaz: agree the details on Issue 2039 to be done during the TD slot and just mention there is some trial work by TD TF during the UC session
11:51:57 <kaz> mm: (shows his slides)
11:52:10 <kaz> s/mm: (shows his slides)//
11:52:14 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2024-09-tpac/2024-09-26-WoT-TPAC-Requirements-McCool.pdf slide 6
11:52:15 <kaz> mm: (shows his slides)
11:52:23 <kaz> ... three examples here
11:52:39 <kaz> ... consumer of TDs, system owner, and produce of TDs
11:52:45 <kaz> q-
11:52:46 <kaz> q+
11:53:03 <kaz> ... can add more clarification to them too
11:54:18 <kaz> kaz: regarding TD issue 2039
11:54:29 <kaz> ... agree the McCool that
11:54:55 <kaz> ... then would be better to create separate MDs one by one so that we can give comments to each proposed trial UC
11:55:07 <kaz> ... will propose that during the TD call again
11:55:12 <kaz> mm: ok
11:55:28 <kaz> ... anyway, let's go for the slides including the examples
11:55:57 <kaz> topic: Next meeting
11:56:12 <kaz> mm: in 3 weeks due to TPAC and recap
11:56:17 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:56:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:56:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:57:00 <kaz> s/McCool that/McCool that feature requests to be handled separately from requirements/
11:57:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:57:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:57:48 <kaz> chair: Mizushima, McCool
11:57:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:57:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:57:58 <kaz> s/brb//
11:57:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:58:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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