IRC log of wot on 2024-09-18

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11:59:16 [kaz]

meeting: WoT-WG/IG

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chair: McCool

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html JKRhb

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present+ Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima

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present+ Mahda_Noura

12:04:02 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:04:20 [kaz]

agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#18_September_2024

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topic: Logistics

12:06:00 [kaz]

mm: will have plugfest call right after this main call

12:06:14 [kaz]

ek: will chair that today

12:07:11 [kaz]

present+ Daniel_Peintner

12:07:16 [mahda]

ScribeNick: mahda

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scribenick: mahda

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i/will have/scribenick: kaz/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

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present+ David_Ezell

12:08:14 [mahda]

topic: Minutes

12:08:26 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-minutes.html Sep-11

12:08:31 [mahda]

mm: minutes were reviewed in the chairs call and already small fixes

12:09:09 [mahda]

...any objections to publications?

12:09:12 [mahda]

(none)

12:09:22 [mahda]

topic: Quick Items

12:09:30 [kaz]

i/Quick/approved/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:10:37 [kaz]

subtopic: Eclipse Thingweb

12:10:55 [kaz]

-> https://www.ocxconf.org/event/778b82cc-6834-48a4-a58e-f883c5a7b8c9/websitePage:26bc9d91-446a-49e1-9f08-8fcc4680073e?session=b37c88ab-ef69-46ce-adf3-7180e9762e5b link for Eclipse Thingweb

12:11:05 [mahda]

mm: anyone any info on this?

12:11:07 [mahda]

Ege: it costs money to attend and quite a bit, as Ege is a speaker no fees applied. He will talk about the Thingweb

12:11:16 [mahda]

mm: video sumarry

12:11:36 [kaz]

i/video/subtopic: WoT CG's video/

12:11:51 [mahda]

ege: videos from the meetups created to shown at TPAC, adoption of WoT across different organizations

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i|videos|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/demo-wot-summary.html demo video page on the WoT Marketing page|

12:12:50 [mahda]

mm: Youtube picks some frames as thumbnail, can this be fixed

12:13:07 [mahda]

ege: I will ask them to use a specific minute to be shown as the thumbnail

12:13:15 [mahda]

mm: is there a description associated with it?

12:13:30 [mahda]

ege: yes

12:13:57 [kaz]

s/demo video page on the WoT Marketing page/demo video on the TPAC 2024 page|

12:14:02 [kaz]

s/page|/page/

12:14:03 [mahda]

mm: Maybe a link back to WoT, and I hope it gets indexed on the first page

12:14:07 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:14:22 [mahda]

mm: how long is it?

12:14:31 [mahda]

ege: 2 minutes 34 seconds

12:14:52 [mahda]

subtopic: Meetups

12:15:42 [mahda]

ege: two other ones are scheduled, other one from Siemens - a new Edge application that uses WoT to onboard devices

12:15:49 [kaz]

present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi

12:15:53 [mahda]

mm: I guess this links to a calander entry

12:15:56 [mahda]

ege: yes

12:16:05 [mahda]

mm: any other updates on meetups?

12:16:28 [kaz]

i/two other/subtopic: WoT CG/

12:16:32 [mahda]

mizushima: no updates from the Japanese community group

12:16:39 [kaz]

regrets+ Sebastian

12:16:59 [mahda]

Topic: Liaisons

12:17:00 [kaz]

i/any other/subtopic: WoT JP CG/

12:17:08 [kaz]

subtopic: OPC

12:17:20 [mahda]

mm: we have during the TPAC a meeting regarding OPC Foundation

12:17:43 [mahda]

subtopic: ETSI ISG CIM

12:17:55 [kaz]

i/ETSI/(Tuesday, 4pm CEST)/

12:18:16 [mahda]

mm: we had a meeting last Friday, we will now proceed with another meeting on Monday October 14

12:18:33 [mahda]

...it will be immediately after the chairs call

12:18:54 [mahda]

...there is a calendar link for it, you can subscribe to it

12:18:56 [kaz]

q+

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q-

12:19:30 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/8dcbc0bc-b323-44e8-915c-180dee303674/20241014T100000/ calendar

12:19:49 [kaz]

s/calendar/calendar for "WoT and NGSI-LD" liaison/

12:19:51 [mahda]

kaz: we invited people who are not WoT group members, but any WoT member can join, if you are interested in that area can join the next meeting

12:19:59 [mahda]

...we are going to have a meeting every 2 weeks

12:20:17 [mahda]

...connecting FIWARE and WoT, a binding that FIWARE can use to publish TDs

12:20:37 [mahda]

...if you are interested, I think it will require a big investment in time

12:20:46 [kaz]

i/...we are/mm: we're/

12:20:54 [mahda]

...I think we need to take volunteers who will take charge for the topics

12:20:56 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:21:18 [mahda]

...if you are interested in smart city and are situated in Europe there are alot of acitivities

12:21:33 [kaz]

q

12:21:35 [mahda]

...also the one in Japan

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s/q//

12:21:41 [kaz]

q?

12:21:57 [mahda]

topic: Schedule

12:22:02 [mahda]

subtopic: Holidays

12:22:21 [mahda]

mm: I don't think the current holidays listed are blockers

12:22:36 [kaz]

s|subtopic: Holidays|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|

12:22:49 [cris]

q+

12:22:49 [mahda]

...I assume the one on Oct 14, won't be a cancellation

12:23:11 [mahda]

...Nov 4, there will be no ETSI meeting scheduled

12:23:35 [mahda]

...Nov 5, US Election day, people in the US generally take that day off

12:24:15 [mahda]

Nov 11, Remembrance Day, Michael McCool will attend the ETSI meeting

12:24:25 [kaz]

s/Nov/... Nov/

12:25:18 [mahda]

subtopic: Schedule

12:25:44 [kaz]

s/Schedule/Publication schedule/

12:26:00 [kaz]

i|I don't think|subtopic: Holidays and cancellations|

12:26:07 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:26:14 [kaz]

present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda

12:26:28 [mahda]

...we discussed the schedule in the chairs call, we originally had the due date of the use cases and requirement, we changed it to end of October

12:26:46 [kaz]

i|we discu|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md|

12:26:49 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

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12:27:12 [mahda]

...when we publish the first working draft, and ask people to comment on it, it would be good to have the features documented and also published at the same time

12:27:37 [mahda]

...Discovery timeline mid-December will probably not work out, because we haven't been doing anything on Discovery

12:27:59 [mahda]

...any objections to the update on the schedule and proceeding with the PR?

12:28:02 [mahda]

(none)

12:28:12 [McCool]

https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1206 merged

12:28:20 [kaz]

s/in the chairs call/in the chairs call and the UC call/

12:28:32 [mahda]

...each TF should be reviewing their schedule

12:28:39 [kaz]

s/merged/merged, and the schedule.md has been updated/

12:28:42 [mahda]

Topic: F2F Planning

12:28:45 [kaz]

q+

12:28:49 [mahda]

subtopic: Registration Open

12:28:49 [kaz]

ack c

12:29:02 [mahda]

mm: we can invite people and in this way bypass the fee?

12:29:28 [kaz]

q-

12:29:53 [mahda]

kaz: if we invite member it still needs to be approved by the member team, that procedure is already expired, and invited experts do not need to pay

12:30:11 [mahda]

...the registration website is closed already, and will be open again next week

12:30:22 [mahda]

mm: please plan to join at least the WoT calls

12:30:24 [kaz]

s/member team/membership team/

12:30:41 [cris]

q+

12:30:42 [mahda]

...here is the overall schedule:

12:30:52 [kaz]

s/the regist/the bigger question at the moment is that the regist/

12:31:06 [kaz]

s/will be open/will be opened/

12:31:07 [mahda]

https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/schedule.html

12:31:17 [kaz]

s/next week/next week for the on-site registration/

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q?

12:31:57 [mahda]

cris: you said the registration is now closed, does this mean I can't join?

12:32:13 [mahda]

kaz: You can register on Monday, will you participate remotely?

12:32:17 [mahda]

cris: yes

12:32:26 [mahda]

subtopic: F2F Meeting

12:32:45 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:33:18 [mahda]

subtopic: Joint Meeting

12:33:28 [mahda]

...SDW is re-chartering

12:33:32 [kaz]

s/Registration Open/TPAC registration/

12:33:42 [kaz]

s/F2F Meeting/TPAC WoT F2F/

12:33:45 [mahda]

...Rob Atikenson, OGC deliverable

12:34:03 [mahda]

...Relationship to FIWARE and GSI-LD

12:34:24 [mahda]

...maybe we can invite them to the call

12:34:41 [mahda]

...Sebastian is organizing the NGSI-LD joint call

12:34:43 [kaz]

i|Joint Meeting|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning TPAC 2024 WoT wiki|

12:34:57 [mahda]

...make sure those are on your schedule

12:35:05 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:35:12 [mahda]

subtopic: Breakouts

12:35:49 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/breakouts.html TPAC breakouts

12:35:58 [mahda]

...there are some redundancies in the interesting categories

12:36:14 [kaz]

s/topic: F2F Planning/topic: TPAC 2024/

12:36:53 [kaz]

s/topic: TPAC 2024/topic: TPAC 2024 registration/

12:37:01 [mahda]

...the conflict section mean that people are chairing them and have to go to them, the exception is WebAPI is not really a conflict is one I want to go there

12:37:11 [kaz]

s/subtopic: TPAC registration//

12:37:12 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:37:24 [mahda]

...we have for instance, Tooling in general

12:37:29 [mahda]

ege: are you chairing this?

12:37:34 [mahda]

ege: yes

12:37:49 [EgeKorkan]

https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5cb0ff4-1696-4367-b9fe-9e74c5034dd3/

12:38:42 [kaz]

s/Topic: F2F Planning/topic: TPAC registration/

12:39:21 [mahda]

mm: Michael McCool is updating the WiKi for F2F planning and the section breakouts

12:39:22 [kaz]

s/subtopic: F2F Meeting/topic: TPAC WoT F2F/

12:39:25 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:39:27 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:39:34 [mahda]

...WoT topics are about the registries

12:39:48 [mahda]

...then we have non-wot topics that have a conflict

12:39:54 [mahda]

...then we have interesting thing

12:40:14 [mahda]

...then low priority topics

12:40:42 [mahda]

kaz: In any case, there is a fixed table on all breakout sessions on the TPAC page, maybe we need to look at that too

12:40:52 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/breakouts.html breakouts page

12:41:17 [kaz]

s/subtopic: TPAC WoT F2F/topic: TPAC WoT F2F/

12:41:18 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:41:20 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:41:54 [mahda]

mm: Web and generative AI risks is probably interesting to go too

12:42:13 [kaz]

s/breakouts page/TPAC breakouts page/

12:42:14 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:42:16 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:44:31 [kaz]

(McCool goes through the breakouts schedule table, and doesn't see big problems there)

12:44:42 [mahda]

...two breakout sessions from us: LinkML, and registeries

12:44:57 [mahda]

...I think this is not a bad schedule, it looks pretty good from my point of view

12:45:04 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:45:05 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:45:38 [mahda]

...they have made some attempt to put topics into tracks

12:46:40 [mahda]

Topic: Agenda

12:46:54 [mahda]

subtopic: Usecases and Requirements

12:47:17 [mahda]

mm: there are use cases and requirements in the Architecture, we need to discuss how to deal with that

12:47:25 [kaz]

s/Topic: Agenda/topic: WoT agenda/

12:47:27 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:47:28 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:47:34 [mahda]

...we will talk about the use case and requirements process

12:47:42 [kaz]

s/WoT agenda/WoT agenda for TPAC/

12:47:44 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:47:45 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:48:15 [mahda]

...I attempt to use in the example and requirements in the TD, we don't have time to deep-dive, we have a 30 min additional time in TD which we try to get some detailed issue,

12:48:33 [mahda]

Topic: Policies

12:48:52 [mahda]

...if you want to comment on policies, now it is the time to do so, check the labels with Policy

12:48:57 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:48:59 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:49:22 [kaz]

s/Topic: Policies/subtopic: Policies/

12:49:23 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:49:25 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:49:50 [mahda]

Topic: ...this is close to the final agenda, and maybe some last minute changes

12:50:08 [mahda]

...kaz, if there are any Policies that needs to be mentioned let me know

12:50:23 [kaz]

s/Topic: //

12:50:25 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:50:26 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:50:46 [mahda]

...I will be personally wear a mask myself, I think the general policy is up to you if you want to wear a mask or not

12:50:59 [mahda]

...i need to figure out a template and what we do on the opening session

12:50:59 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2024/Talks/TPAC/Templates/ templates for slides (HTML)

12:51:01 [kaz]

q+

12:51:12 [mahda]

...anything else on the agenda

12:51:21 [cris]

ack c

12:51:23 [mahda]

kaz: there is an HTML template for the slides

12:51:57 [mahda]

kaz: we can rather look into the previous slides for 2023

12:52:29 [mahda]

mm: We (Kaz, Michael McCool) can sit down 15 minutes prior to the meeting and figure it out

12:53:12 [mahda]

Topic: TF Reports

12:53:18 [kaz]

q+

12:53:20 [mahda]

...is there any tf REPORT UPDATES?

12:53:28 [mahda]

(none)

12:54:28 [mahda]

Topic: Plugfest

12:54:29 [kaz]

q-

12:54:50 [dezell]

q+

12:54:50 [mahda]

ege: Please think about until the meeting what devices you want to bring in the Plugfest

12:55:36 [mahda]

david: I have a couple of people who are considering to come to the Plugfest, they are not a W3C member, is today a good day that they should join?

12:55:36 [kaz]

q+

12:55:39 [kaz]

q- de

12:55:50 [mahda]

ege: they can join today if they can on short notice

12:56:12 [mahda]

kaz: inviting people to TPAC is complicated

12:56:25 [kaz]

q- k

12:56:28 [mahda]

mm: maybe it would be better to invite them to a future meeting about the plugfest

12:56:53 [kaz]

s/complicated/complicated but can invite them today or after TPAC. either is fine or both would be nicer :)/

12:57:05 [kaz]

[adjourned]

12:57:11 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz

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https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/8b215946-1745-4067-8e89-7b401c396e55/20241016T090000/

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