11:59:11 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:59:15 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-irc 11:59:16 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 11:59:26 chair: McCool 11:59:37 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann 12:00:55 Tomo has joined #wot 12:01:35 McCool has joined #wot 12:01:40 luca_barbato has joined #wot 12:01:54 rrsagent, make log public 12:02:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:02:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html JKRhb 12:02:12 mahda has joined #wot 12:03:02 mjk has joined #wot 12:03:41 present+ Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:03:53 present+ Mahda_Noura 12:04:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:04:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:04:20 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#18_September_2024 12:05:38 dape has joined #wot 12:05:52 topic: Logistics 12:06:00 mm: will have plugfest call right after this main call 12:06:14 ek: will chair that today 12:07:11 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:07:16 ScribeNick: mahda 12:07:17 scribenick: mahda 12:07:29 i/will have/scribenick: kaz/ 12:07:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:07:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:07:49 dezell has joined #wot 12:08:04 present+ David_Ezell 12:08:14 topic: Minutes 12:08:26 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-minutes.html Sep-11 12:08:31 mm: minutes were reviewed in the chairs call and already small fixes 12:09:09 ...any objections to publications? 12:09:12 (none) 12:09:22 topic: Quick Items 12:09:30 i/Quick/approved/ 12:09:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:09:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:10:37 subtopic: Eclipse Thingweb 12:10:55 -> https://www.ocxconf.org/event/778b82cc-6834-48a4-a58e-f883c5a7b8c9/websitePage:26bc9d91-446a-49e1-9f08-8fcc4680073e?session=b37c88ab-ef69-46ce-adf3-7180e9762e5b link for Eclipse Thingweb 12:11:05 mm: anyone any info on this? 12:11:07 Ege: it costs money to attend and quite a bit, as Ege is a speaker no fees applied. He will talk about the Thingweb 12:11:16 mm: video sumarry 12:11:36 i/video/subtopic: WoT CG's video/ 12:11:51 ege: videos from the meetups created to shown at TPAC, adoption of WoT across different organizations 12:12:18 cris has joined #wot 12:12:23 i|videos|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/demo-wot-summary.html demo video page on the WoT Marketing page| 12:12:50 mm: Youtube picks some frames as thumbnail, can this be fixed 12:13:07 ege: I will ask them to use a specific minute to be shown as the thumbnail 12:13:15 mm: is there a description associated with it? 12:13:30 ege: yes 12:13:57 s/demo video page on the WoT Marketing page/demo video on the TPAC 2024 page| 12:14:02 s/page|/page/ 12:14:03 mm: Maybe a link back to WoT, and I hope it gets indexed on the first page 12:14:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:14:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:14:22 mm: how long is it? 12:14:31 ege: 2 minutes 34 seconds 12:14:52 subtopic: Meetups 12:15:42 ege: two other ones are scheduled, other one from Siemens - a new Edge application that uses WoT to onboard devices 12:15:49 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 12:15:53 mm: I guess this links to a calander entry 12:15:56 ege: yes 12:16:05 mm: any other updates on meetups? 12:16:28 i/two other/subtopic: WoT CG/ 12:16:32 mizushima: no updates from the Japanese community group 12:16:39 regrets+ Sebastian 12:16:59 Topic: Liaisons 12:17:00 i/any other/subtopic: WoT JP CG/ 12:17:08 subtopic: OPC 12:17:20 mm: we have during the TPAC a meeting regarding OPC Foundation 12:17:43 subtopic: ETSI ISG CIM 12:17:55 i/ETSI/(Tuesday, 4pm CEST)/ 12:18:16 mm: we had a meeting last Friday, we will now proceed with another meeting on Monday October 14 12:18:33 ...it will be immediately after the chairs call 12:18:54 ...there is a calendar link for it, you can subscribe to it 12:18:56 q+ 12:19:08 q- 12:19:30 -> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/8dcbc0bc-b323-44e8-915c-180dee303674/20241014T100000/ calendar 12:19:49 s/calendar/calendar for "WoT and NGSI-LD" liaison/ 12:19:51 kaz: we invited people who are not WoT group members, but any WoT member can join, if you are interested in that area can join the next meeting 12:19:59 ...we are going to have a meeting every 2 weeks 12:20:17 ...connecting FIWARE and WoT, a binding that FIWARE can use to publish TDs 12:20:37 ...if you are interested, I think it will require a big investment in time 12:20:46 i/...we are/mm: we're/ 12:20:54 ...I think we need to take volunteers who will take charge for the topics 12:20:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:20:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:21:18 ...if you are interested in smart city and are situated in Europe there are alot of acitivities 12:21:33 q 12:21:35 ...also the one in Japan 12:21:39 s/q// 12:21:41 q? 12:21:57 topic: Schedule 12:22:02 subtopic: Holidays 12:22:21 mm: I don't think the current holidays listed are blockers 12:22:36 s|subtopic: Holidays|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations| 12:22:49 q+ 12:22:49 ...I assume the one on Oct 14, won't be a cancellation 12:23:11 ...Nov 4, there will be no ETSI meeting scheduled 12:23:35 ...Nov 5, US Election day, people in the US generally take that day off 12:24:15 Nov 11, Remembrance Day, Michael McCool will attend the ETSI meeting 12:24:25 s/Nov/... Nov/ 12:25:18 subtopic: Schedule 12:25:44 s/Schedule/Publication schedule/ 12:26:00 i|I don't think|subtopic: Holidays and cancellations| 12:26:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:26:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:26:14 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:26:28 ...we discussed the schedule in the chairs call, we originally had the due date of the use cases and requirement, we changed it to end of October 12:26:46 i|we discu|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md| 12:26:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:26:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:27:00 matsuda has joined #wot 12:27:12 ...when we publish the first working draft, and ask people to comment on it, it would be good to have the features documented and also published at the same time 12:27:37 ...Discovery timeline mid-December will probably not work out, because we haven't been doing anything on Discovery 12:27:59 ...any objections to the update on the schedule and proceeding with the PR? 12:28:02 (none) 12:28:12 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1206 merged 12:28:20 s/in the chairs call/in the chairs call and the UC call/ 12:28:32 ...each TF should be reviewing their schedule 12:28:39 s/merged/merged, and the schedule.md has been updated/ 12:28:42 Topic: F2F Planning 12:28:45 q+ 12:28:49 subtopic: Registration Open 12:28:49 ack c 12:29:02 mm: we can invite people and in this way bypass the fee? 12:29:28 q- 12:29:53 kaz: if we invite member it still needs to be approved by the member team, that procedure is already expired, and invited experts do not need to pay 12:30:11 ...the registration website is closed already, and will be open again next week 12:30:22 mm: please plan to join at least the WoT calls 12:30:24 s/member team/membership team/ 12:30:41 q+ 12:30:42 ...here is the overall schedule: 12:30:52 s/the regist/the bigger question at the moment is that the regist/ 12:31:06 s/will be open/will be opened/ 12:31:07 https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/schedule.html 12:31:17 s/next week/next week for the on-site registration/ 12:31:30 q? 12:31:57 cris: you said the registration is now closed, does this mean I can't join? 12:32:13 kaz: You can register on Monday, will you participate remotely? 12:32:17 cris: yes 12:32:26 subtopic: F2F Meeting 12:32:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:32:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:33:18 subtopic: Joint Meeting 12:33:28 ...SDW is re-chartering 12:33:32 s/Registration Open/TPAC registration/ 12:33:42 s/F2F Meeting/TPAC WoT F2F/ 12:33:45 ...Rob Atikenson, OGC deliverable 12:34:03 ...Relationship to FIWARE and GSI-LD 12:34:24 ...maybe we can invite them to the call 12:34:41 ...Sebastian is organizing the NGSI-LD joint call 12:34:43 i|Joint Meeting|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning TPAC 2024 WoT wiki| 12:34:57 ...make sure those are on your schedule 12:35:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:35:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:35:12 subtopic: Breakouts 12:35:49 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/breakouts.html TPAC breakouts 12:35:58 ...there are some redundancies in the interesting categories 12:36:14 s/topic: F2F Planning/topic: TPAC 2024/ 12:36:53 s/topic: TPAC 2024/topic: TPAC 2024 registration/ 12:37:01 ...the conflict section mean that people are chairing them and have to go to them, the exception is WebAPI is not really a conflict is one I want to go there 12:37:11 s/subtopic: TPAC registration// 12:37:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:37:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:37:24 ...we have for instance, Tooling in general 12:37:29 ege: are you chairing this? 12:37:34 ege: yes 12:37:49 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5cb0ff4-1696-4367-b9fe-9e74c5034dd3/ 12:38:42 s/Topic: F2F Planning/topic: TPAC registration/ 12:39:21 mm: Michael McCool is updating the WiKi for F2F planning and the section breakouts 12:39:22 s/subtopic: F2F Meeting/topic: TPAC WoT F2F/ 12:39:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:39:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:39:34 ...WoT topics are about the registries 12:39:48 ...then we have non-wot topics that have a conflict 12:39:54 ...then we have interesting thing 12:40:14 ...then low priority topics 12:40:42 kaz: In any case, there is a fixed table on all breakout sessions on the TPAC page, maybe we need to look at that too 12:40:52 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/breakouts.html breakouts page 12:41:17 s/subtopic: TPAC WoT F2F/topic: TPAC WoT F2F/ 12:41:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:41:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:41:54 mm: Web and generative AI risks is probably interesting to go too 12:42:13 s/breakouts page/TPAC breakouts page/ 12:42:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:42:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:44:31 (McCool goes through the breakouts schedule table, and doesn't see big problems there) 12:44:42 ...two breakout sessions from us: LinkML, and registeries 12:44:57 ...I think this is not a bad schedule, it looks pretty good from my point of view 12:45:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:45:38 ...they have made some attempt to put topics into tracks 12:46:40 Topic: Agenda 12:46:54 subtopic: Usecases and Requirements 12:47:17 mm: there are use cases and requirements in the Architecture, we need to discuss how to deal with that 12:47:25 s/Topic: Agenda/topic: WoT agenda/ 12:47:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:47:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:47:34 ...we will talk about the use case and requirements process 12:47:42 s/WoT agenda/WoT agenda for TPAC/ 12:47:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:47:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:48:15 ...I attempt to use in the example and requirements in the TD, we don't have time to deep-dive, we have a 30 min additional time in TD which we try to get some detailed issue, 12:48:33 Topic: Policies 12:48:52 ...if you want to comment on policies, now it is the time to do so, check the labels with Policy 12:48:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:48:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:49:22 s/Topic: Policies/subtopic: Policies/ 12:49:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:49:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:49:50 Topic: ...this is close to the final agenda, and maybe some last minute changes 12:50:08 ...kaz, if there are any Policies that needs to be mentioned let me know 12:50:23 s/Topic: // 12:50:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:50:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:50:46 ...I will be personally wear a mask myself, I think the general policy is up to you if you want to wear a mask or not 12:50:59 ...i need to figure out a template and what we do on the opening session 12:50:59 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/Talks/TPAC/Templates/ templates for slides (HTML) 12:51:01 q+ 12:51:12 ...anything else on the agenda 12:51:21 ack c 12:51:23 kaz: there is an HTML template for the slides 12:51:57 kaz: we can rather look into the previous slides for 2023 12:52:29 mm: We (Kaz, Michael McCool) can sit down 15 minutes prior to the meeting and figure it out 12:53:12 Topic: TF Reports 12:53:18 q+ 12:53:20 ...is there any tf REPORT UPDATES? 12:53:28 (none) 12:54:28 Topic: Plugfest 12:54:29 q- 12:54:50 q+ 12:54:50 ege: Please think about until the meeting what devices you want to bring in the Plugfest 12:55:36 david: I have a couple of people who are considering to come to the Plugfest, they are not a W3C member, is today a good day that they should join? 12:55:36 q+ 12:55:39 q- de 12:55:50 ege: they can join today if they can on short notice 12:56:12 kaz: inviting people to TPAC is complicated 12:56:25 q- k 12:56:28 mm: maybe it would be better to invite them to a future meeting about the plugfest 12:56:53 s/complicated/complicated but can invite them today or after TPAC. either is fine or both would be nicer :)/ 12:57:05 [adjourned] 12:57:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:57:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:58:24 JKRhb has joined #wot 13:05:13 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/8b215946-1745-4067-8e89-7b401c396e55/20241016T090000/ 13:28:26 JKRhb has joined #wot 13:58:28 JKRhb has joined #wot 14:28:34 JKRhb has joined #wot 14:40:43 TallTed has joined #wot 15:01:14 bigbluehat has joined #wot 15:04:50 Zakim has left #wot 15:16:34 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 15:16:58 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 15:34:58 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 15:51:51 gkellogg has joined #wot 15:55:06 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 15:56:29 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot 16:14:44 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 16:32:25 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 17:30:27 dlehn1 has joined #wot 17:37:29 gkellogg has joined #wot 17:52:12 gkellogg has joined #wot 18:44:06 gkellogg has joined #wot 19:03:46 gkellogg has joined #wot 19:23:45 gkellogg has joined #wot 21:57:26 TallTed has joined #wot 22:21:09 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 22:21:53 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 22:44:06 gkellogg has joined #wot 23:21:47 gkellogg has joined #wot 23:38:57 gkellogg has joined #wot 23:55:36 gkellogg has joined #wot