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14:05:11 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#September_11%2C_2024
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14:05:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
14:05:56 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Daniel_Peintner, Jan_Romann, Luca_Barbato
14:07:07 <dape> scribe: dape
14:07:13 <kaz> present+ Mahda_Noura
14:07:25 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes Review
14:07:47 <dape> -> 4 September 2024 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-wot-td-minutes.html
14:08:03 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:08:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:08:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:08:17 <dape> MK:  I don't see any issues..
14:08:22 <dape> ... any additions/changes?
14:08:27 <kaz> chair: Koster
14:08:30 <kaz> regrets+ Ege
14:08:34 <dape> ... none -> minutes are approved
14:08:37 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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14:09:20 <dape> TOPIC: TPAC
14:09:43 <dape> MK: Last week we covered the breakouts
14:10:01 <dape> ... we look at 60 minuites slot
14:10:49 <dape> s/minuites/minutes
14:11:00 <dape> ... https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning#Thing_Descriptions_and_Binding
14:11:05 <kaz> i|Last week|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning TPAC 2024 WoT wiki|
14:11:24 <kaz> s/slot/slot for TD and Binding/
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14:11:32 <kaz> s/.../->/
14:11:56 <mjk> q?
14:12:04 <kaz> s|Binding|Binding TPAC 2024 WoT wiki - TD/Binding slot|
14:12:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:12:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:12:19 <dape> MK: We a list to be discussed
14:12:21 <kaz> q+
14:12:33 <dape> ... we need to think about priority
14:12:54 <dape> ... "Binding vs Profile" seems important
14:13:03 <dape> .. I move it to the top
14:13:25 <dape> ... Not sure what "Use case extraction" means?
14:13:35 <dape> ... what should we talk about
14:13:55 <dape> Kaz: It is about potential use-case extraction from backlog
14:14:10 <dape> ... 2 items "use-case" and "backlog" can be merged
14:14:18 <dape> MK: Okay, I see
14:14:40 <dape> ... is there anything we can de-prioritize?
14:15:09 <dape> Kaz: "Binding vs Profile" is important, but depends on Lucas availability
14:16:05 <dape> ... 90 minute slot seems reasonable
14:16:28 <dape> MK: I see, merging "Profile" and "TD"
14:17:55 <kaz> q-
14:17:55 <dape> Kaz: We should ask Luca about his opinion
14:18:37 <mjk> q?
14:18:44 <mahda1> q?
14:19:16 <dape> LB: I am not sure if I am available at TPAC
14:19:34 <dape> .... more important to have Ben. I am just the moderator...
14:19:58 <dape> MK: Is combining TD and Profile okay?
14:20:04 <dape> LB: Seems a good idea
14:20:14 <dape> ... Profile and Binding is getting closer
14:20:49 <dape> ... getting Ben in would be the best option
14:21:02 <dape> ... Ben has a strong opinion
14:21:17 <dape> MK: We try to make offline progress
14:21:24 <dape> ... we might want to engage Ben
14:22:30 <dape> ... we also discussed to prepare use-case templates
14:24:25 <dape> ... putting upfront use-cases makes sense
14:24:44 <kaz> q?
14:24:52 <kaz> q+ mahda
14:24:56 <kaz> ack m
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14:25:24 <kaz> q+
14:25:27 <dape> MN: Suggest to have "use cases and requirements" in the beginning .. since it is driving the disusscion
14:26:08 <dape> ... we also have "JSON schema resources".. not sure why there is  specific topic about it
14:26:14 <kaz> s/in the be/at the be/
14:26:40 <dape> MK: I think JSON schema topic is resolved.. lets remove it
14:27:17 <dape> ... we can combine toolchain and resource management
14:27:47 <dape> MN: Maybe JSON schema points to the work about referencing JSON schema officially
14:28:05 <dape> MK: Probably .. yes.. normative references
14:28:23 <dape> ... JSON schema folks created own legal entity
14:29:00 <dape> MK: What is "Project/Backlog" ?
14:29:05 <dape> ... like a review?
14:29:10 <dape> Kaz: Yes
14:29:22 <dape> ... TPAC meeting is special
14:29:44 <dape> ... priority should be use-case requirements and binding vs. profile
14:29:54 <dape> ... maybe we can tackle a 3rd topic
14:30:07 <dape> MK: I would say "Registry"
14:30:50 <dape> Kaz: There will be breakout sessions about registry ... I think from Ege
14:30:56 <mahda1> q+
14:31:30 <dape> ... could give a short report about breakout session
14:31:32 <kaz> ack k
14:32:01 <kaz> s/from Ege/there is at least one from Ege/
14:32:32 <dape> MN: McCool mentioned ontology versioning in main call
14:32:47 <dape> ... should we talk about it at TPAC
14:33:13 <dape> MK: As part of resource management?
14:33:34 <kaz> q+
14:33:49 <dape> MN: I think ontology versioning needs its own slot
14:34:13 <dape> ... but we don't know what we need to do yet
14:34:41 <dape> MK: Okay, let's keep them separate
14:34:54 <dape> MN: We also have breakout session for toolchain
14:35:07 <dape> ... we could have a report for it as well
14:35:58 <dape> Kaz: separate breakout report session might make more sense.. since McCool, myself and Koster have their own breakout sessions also
14:37:35 <dape> MK: We could do that
14:39:27 <dape> Kaz: BTW, we have "Resources" section also
14:39:56 <dape> q+
14:40:33 <dape> MK: I see, move resources topics to this slot
14:41:07 <dape> ack dape
14:41:15 <kaz> ack k
14:41:22 <kaz> ack m
14:43:38 <dape> MK: Let's look at the times
14:43:43 <dape> ... 30 mins use-case
14:43:58 <dape> ... 30 profile vs. binding
14:44:21 <dape> ... 15 breakout reports
14:44:40 <dape> ... 15 min Project/Backlog
14:44:47 <dape> ... we can still refine it
14:44:52 <kaz> q?
14:44:53 <kaz> q+
14:45:05 <kaz> q-
14:45:29 <dape> Kaz: BTW, I added "smart city report"
14:46:21 <dape> MK: I think it looks okay so far
14:46:33 <dape> ... any suggestions?
14:46:45 <kaz> s/port"/port" to the "Slack" section. Report out for TD topics to be done during the TD slot and other reports to be done during the "Slack" slot./
14:47:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:47:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:48:14 <dape> MK: Not sure if we should open another topic? Suggest to close early today..
14:48:19 <dape> Kaz: Agree
14:48:31 <kaz> i/Not sure/topic: AOB?/
14:48:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:48:42 <dape> MK: We will not have a "slot 2" meeting tomorrow
14:48:56 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:48:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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