IRC log of wot-td on 2024-09-11

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#September_11%2C_2024

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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Daniel_Peintner, Jan_Romann, Luca_Barbato

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scribe: dape

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present+ Mahda_Noura

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TOPIC: Minutes Review

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-> 4 September 2024 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-wot-td-minutes.html

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

14:08:17 [dape]

MK: I don't see any issues..

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... any additions/changes?

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chair: Koster

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regrets+ Ege

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... none -> minutes are approved

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima

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present+ Mahda_Noura

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TOPIC: TPAC

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MK: Last week we covered the breakouts

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... we look at 60 minuites slot

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s/minuites/minutes

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... https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning#Thing_Descriptions_and_Binding

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i|Last week|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning TPAC 2024 WoT wiki|

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s/slot/slot for TD and Binding/

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s/.../->/

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q?

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s|Binding|Binding TPAC 2024 WoT wiki - TD/Binding slot|

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

14:12:19 [dape]

MK: We a list to be discussed

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q+

14:12:33 [dape]

... we need to think about priority

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... "Binding vs Profile" seems important

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.. I move it to the top

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... Not sure what "Use case extraction" means?

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... what should we talk about

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Kaz: It is about potential use-case extraction from backlog

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... 2 items "use-case" and "backlog" can be merged

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MK: Okay, I see

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... is there anything we can de-prioritize?

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Kaz: "Binding vs Profile" is important, but depends on Lucas availability

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... 90 minute slot seems reasonable

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MK: I see, merging "Profile" and "TD"

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q-

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Kaz: We should ask Luca about his opinion

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q?

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q?

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LB: I am not sure if I am available at TPAC

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.... more important to have Ben. I am just the moderator...

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MK: Is combining TD and Profile okay?

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LB: Seems a good idea

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... Profile and Binding is getting closer

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... getting Ben in would be the best option

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... Ben has a strong opinion

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MK: We try to make offline progress

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... we might want to engage Ben

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... we also discussed to prepare use-case templates

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... putting upfront use-cases makes sense

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q?

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q+ mahda

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ack m

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q+

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MN: Suggest to have "use cases and requirements" in the beginning .. since it is driving the disusscion

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... we also have "JSON schema resources".. not sure why there is specific topic about it

14:26:14 [kaz]

s/in the be/at the be/

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MK: I think JSON schema topic is resolved.. lets remove it

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... we can combine toolchain and resource management

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MN: Maybe JSON schema points to the work about referencing JSON schema officially

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MK: Probably .. yes.. normative references

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... JSON schema folks created own legal entity

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MK: What is "Project/Backlog" ?

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... like a review?

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Kaz: Yes

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... TPAC meeting is special

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... priority should be use-case requirements and binding vs. profile

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... maybe we can tackle a 3rd topic

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MK: I would say "Registry"

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Kaz: There will be breakout sessions about registry ... I think from Ege

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q+

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... could give a short report about breakout session

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s/from Ege/there is at least one from Ege/

14:32:32 [dape]

MN: McCool mentioned ontology versioning in main call

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... should we talk about it at TPAC

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MK: As part of resource management?

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q+

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MN: I think ontology versioning needs its own slot

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... but we don't know what we need to do yet

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MK: Okay, let's keep them separate

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MN: We also have breakout session for toolchain

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... we could have a report for it as well

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Kaz: separate breakout report session might make more sense.. since McCool, myself and Koster have their own breakout sessions also

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MK: We could do that

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Kaz: BTW, we have "Resources" section also

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q+

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MK: I see, move resources topics to this slot

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ack dape

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ack k

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ack m

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MK: Let's look at the times

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... 30 mins use-case

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... 30 profile vs. binding

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... 15 breakout reports

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... 15 min Project/Backlog

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... we can still refine it

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q?

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q+

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q-

14:45:29 [dape]

Kaz: BTW, I added "smart city report"

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MK: I think it looks okay so far

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... any suggestions?

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s/port"/port" to the "Slack" section. Report out for TD topics to be done during the TD slot and other reports to be done during the "Slack" slot./

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

14:48:14 [dape]

MK: Not sure if we should open another topic? Suggest to close early today..

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Kaz: Agree

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i/Not sure/topic: AOB?/

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

14:48:42 [dape]

MK: We will not have a "slot 2" meeting tomorrow

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[adjourned]

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