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12:38:43 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
12:38:44 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Joe_Humbert
12:39:31 <Joe_Humbert> Zakim, this is MATF 11 September, 2024
12:39:31 <Zakim> got it, Joe_Humbert
12:40:08 <Joe_Humbert> Meeting: MATF 11 September, 2024
12:40:43 <Joe_Humbert> agenda+ 2.5.1 Pointer Gestures (Continued conversation)
12:41:07 <Joe_Humbert> agenda+ 2.5.2 Pointer Cancellation
12:41:31 <Joe_Humbert> agenda+ 2.5.3 Label in Name
12:42:06 <Joe_Humbert> zakim, agenda?
12:42:06 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
12:42:07 <Zakim> 1. 2.5.1 Pointer Gestures (Continued conversation) [from Joe_Humbert]
12:42:07 <Zakim> 2. 2.5.2 Pointer Cancellation [from Joe_Humbert]
12:42:07 <Zakim> 3. 2.5.3 Label in Name [from Joe_Humbert]
12:45:33 <Joe_Humbert> present+
12:45:58 <Joe_Humbert> Zakim, list participants
12:45:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joe_Humbert
12:53:18 <Joe_Humbert> regrets+ Devanshu Chandra
12:53:22 <Joe_Humbert> Zakim, list participants
12:53:22 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joe_Humbert
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12:55:43 <AlainVagner> present+
12:56:50 <Joe_Humbert> regrets+ Gleidson Ramos
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13:01:51 <Aash> Present+
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13:01:59 <julianmka> present+
13:02:07 <Joe_Humbert> Zakim, list participants
13:02:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joe_Humbert, AlainVagner, Aash, julianmka
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13:02:30 <Joe_Humbert> present+ Jamie
13:02:33 <Joe_Humbert> move to next agendum
13:02:33 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- 2.5.1 Pointer Gestures (Continued conversation) -- taken up [from Joe_Humbert]
13:02:50 <Illai> present+
13:03:02 <Joe_Humbert> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/37
13:03:24 <Joe_Humbert> scribe: Aash
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13:04:27 <Jamie> present+
13:04:44 <Karla> present+
13:05:51 <Aash> Joe added the discussion from the last meeting to https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/37, SC 2.5.1
13:06:39 <Aash> Julian to send out the updates the way JJ sent it on an email
13:07:18 <julianmka> ACTION: Julian send out SCs for voting
13:08:14 <Illai> +1
13:08:20 <Karla> +1
13:08:23 <Jamie> +1
13:08:26 <AlainVagner> +!
13:08:30 <AlainVagner> +1
13:08:31 <julianmka> q+
13:08:45 <Joe_Humbert> ack julianmka
13:09:29 <AlainVagner> q+
13:09:38 <Jamie> except the WCAG2ICT notes (as discussed in the prior meeting)
13:09:41 <Aash> julianmka : WCAG2ICT --> Question related to notes. Notes are specifically about non-web software. Wishes to discuss those notes
13:10:05 <Jamie> q+
13:10:53 <AlainVagner> I would remove anything related to non-web documents
13:11:29 <Aash> julianmka The additional notes that come with the SC in WCAG2ICT . Should we bring to these back to MATF draft? There are three notes added by the WCAG2ICT team
13:11:50 <Joe_Humbert> ack AlianVagner
13:11:51 <Aash> earlier comment was for 2.5.1
13:12:25 <Joe_Humbert> ack Jamie
13:12:25 <Aash> AlainVagner : we should remove everything not related to applications
13:12:40 <AlainVagner> q-
13:15:42 <Aash> Jamie suggest to add understanding document to this SC as a note
13:16:52 <Aash> Jamie: expand more on "definitions" from the WCAG2ICT document.
13:17:34 <Aash> Joe_Humbert Include a section if we are adding definitions, or re-defining something.
13:19:01 <Aash> Joe_Humbert to add defintion for 'path based gestures' and 'swiping'
13:19:10 <julianmka> ACTION: Add future agenda item for defining path-based gestures and swipes
13:19:20 <julianmka> q+
13:19:31 <Joe_Humbert> ack julianmka
13:20:11 <Aash> julianmka can rewrite the notes using preferred language
13:21:08 <Jamie> q+
13:21:14 <Aash> Joe_Humbert should we have APPLYING SC in our doc?
13:21:19 <julianmka> ACTION: Julian add proposed wording to 2.5.1
13:21:19 <Illai> 1+
13:21:27 <Jamie> +1
13:21:34 <julianmka> q+
13:21:39 <Joe_Humbert> ack Jamie
13:22:14 <Joe_Humbert> ack julianmka
13:22:31 <Illai> q+
13:22:38 <Aash> julianmka reasonable to have a heading 'applying SC' if there are deviations.
13:22:59 <Aash> julianmka if there are no deviations, the doc may get bloated.
13:23:05 <Karla> +1 julianmka
13:23:06 <Joe_Humbert> ack Illai
13:23:11 <Aash> ACTION: come up with a agreeable structure
13:24:17 <Aash> @Illai It is worth having references, but not required for each SC.
13:25:37 <Aash> Joe_Humbert instead of a separate section, if we can collapse it in a sentence if it is applicable as is.
13:25:54 <Jamie> +1
13:25:56 <Illai> +1
13:25:57 <julianmka> +1
13:25:59 <Karla> +1
13:26:01 <AlainVagner> +1
13:26:07 <Aash> ACTION: Joe_Humbert to discuss with Jamie julianmka to come up with an agreeable structure
13:26:48 <Joe_Humbert> move to next agendum
13:26:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- 2.5.2 Pointer Cancellation -- taken up [from Joe_Humbert]
13:27:08 <Joe_Humbert> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/38
13:28:49 <julianmka> q+
13:29:07 <Joe_Humbert> ack julianmka
13:29:41 <Illai> q+
13:29:58 <Joe_Humbert> ack Illai
13:30:01 <Aash> ACTION: Propose language to keep first 2 notes and add others as needed julianmka
13:31:16 <julianmka> +1 Illai
13:31:53 <Aash> Illai note#6 is a good note to have on 2.5.2.
13:32:08 <Jamie> +1
13:32:11 <julianmka> +1
13:32:13 <Karla> +1
13:32:16 <Aash> +1
13:32:20 <julianmka> q+
13:32:28 <Joe_Humbert> ack julianmka
13:32:45 <Jamie> -1
13:32:48 <Aash> julianmka : we might want to keep note#5 on 2.5.2
13:33:41 <Jamie> we need to redefine user agent so note 5 would need to change
13:34:36 <Aash> Joe_Humbert user agents mostly apply to web, but not on mobile
13:34:38 <Illai> +1 Jamie
13:35:17 <Jamie> q+
13:35:18 <Aash> Joe_Humbert need to recheck if the user agents has been defined in note#5 for 2.5.2
13:35:31 <Joe_Humbert> ack Jamie
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13:37:24 <Aash> ACTION: Joe_Humbert to check with WCAG2ICT to see why they added note#5 on 2.5.2
13:38:48 <Joe_Humbert> move to next agendum
13:38:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- 2.5.3 Label in Name -- taken up [from Joe_Humbert]
13:39:08 <Joe_Humbert> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/39
13:39:46 <Detlev> q+
13:40:17 <Joe_Humbert> ack Detlev
13:40:28 <Aash> Joe_Humbert the notes on closed functionality to be ignored for first draft
13:42:47 <julianmka> q+
13:43:00 <julianmka> q-
13:45:27 <julianmka> q+
13:45:51 <Aash> Detlev would you consider the phrase-line is not included in the text for logos?
13:46:30 <Joe_Humbert> ack julianmka
13:47:25 <Aash> julianmka iOS allows to apply alternate labels. You could set the accessible name with this method.
13:47:39 <Aash> julianmka Android does not have this capability
13:49:33 <Jamie> leave as written in WCAG2ICT
13:49:42 <Karla> +1
13:49:46 <julianmka> +1
13:49:48 <Illai> +1+1
13:49:50 <Detlev> +1
13:49:51 <AlainVagner> +1
13:49:51 <Aash> +1
13:50:03 <Detlev> differences seem very minor, if any
13:50:14 <Jamie> next one!
13:52:05 <Aash> next meeting we will vote on the SC that we think as a group can go into the draft as is
13:53:34 <Aash> Joe_Humbert to create separate section about user settings
13:53:36 <julianmka> Spoiler alert! Settings as sufficient techniques has a Github issue we can start using: https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/67
13:54:32 <AlainVagner> thanks julianmka
13:56:09 <Joe_Humbert> Zakim, list participants
13:56:10 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joe_Humbert, AlainVagner, Aash, julianmka, Jamie, Illai, Karla, !
13:56:43 <Joe_Humbert> present+ Detlev
13:56:46 <Joe_Humbert> Zakim, list participants
13:56:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joe_Humbert, AlainVagner, Aash, julianmka, Jamie, Illai, Karla, !, Detlev
13:57:17 <Joe_Humbert> rrsagent, make minutes
13:57:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-minutes.html Joe_Humbert
13:58:47 <Joe_Humbert> rrsagent, bye
13:58:47 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-actions.rdf :
13:58:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Julian send out SCs for voting [1]
13:58:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-irc#T13-07-18
13:58:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Add future agenda item for defining path-based gestures and swipes [2]
13:58:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-irc#T13-19-10
13:58:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Julian add proposed wording to 2.5.1 [3]
13:58:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-irc#T13-21-19
13:58:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: come up with a agreeable structure [4]
13:58:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-irc#T13-23-11
13:58:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Joe_Humbert to discuss with Jamie julianmka to come up with an agreeable structure [5]
13:58:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-irc#T13-26-07
13:58:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Propose language to keep first 2 notes and add others as needed julianmka [6]
13:58:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-irc#T13-30-01
13:58:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Joe_Humbert to check with WCAG2ICT to see why they added note#5 on 2.5.2 [7]
13:58:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-matf-irc#T13-37-24