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11:02:24 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
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11:03:31 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_McCool
11:03:35 <kaz> regrets+ Ege
11:03:42 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
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11:07:04 <McCool> scribenick: McCool
11:07:26 <McCool> topic: Agenda Review and Minutes
11:07:36 <kaz> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240904.md
11:08:11 <McCool> mz: agenda at https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_UseCase_WebConf#Sep_4th%2C_2024
11:08:39 <kaz> q+
11:08:46 <McCool> mz: start with logistics, then look at other topics
11:08:46 <kaz> q-
11:09:07 <McCool> topic: Logistics
11:10:28 <McCool> mz: Sept 25/Oct 2 cancelled due to TPAC, Oct 23 will not be available
11:11:06 <kaz> q+
11:12:22 <kaz> q-
11:13:50 <kaz> s/Agenda Review and Minutes/Agenda Review/
11:14:21 <McCool> mm: for TPAC, I think we need to cover use case template (which needs to be "done") and also the requirements process
11:14:21 <kaz> q+
11:14:30 <kaz> q-
11:14:54 <McCool> ... we probably will only have at most 30 minutes, and need time for discussion
11:15:08 <McCool> ... so if we do a presenation, it should only be 8-10 slides at most
11:15:32 <McCool> ... the main goal should be to get clarity on the usecase-requirements process
11:15:34 <kaz> q+
11:15:46 <kaz> q-
11:15:48 <McCool> kaz: the next question is who and how
11:17:27 <kaz> q+
11:17:55 <kaz> q-
11:18:05 <McCool> mm: think mz can do use-case process review, I can do requirements prep; first draft for next week, then final polishing week after
11:18:16 <kaz> s/mz/Mizushima-san/
11:18:20 <McCool> ... we should also pull in others to review, e.g. Ege to represent the TD TF.
11:18:40 <McCool> kaz: are you, McCool, ok with being temporary co-moderator for now?
11:18:44 <McCool> mm: yes, for now
11:18:49 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:18:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:18:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:19:15 <kaz> q+
11:19:51 <McCool> mz: who are the speakers? myself, you, and ege?
11:19:56 <kaz> q-
11:20:22 <McCool> mm: I think 15 minute pres, 15 minute discussion; one or two speakers, ege can join discussion
11:21:56 <McCool> mm: suggest using plain PPT template, e.g. from last year (or if I have time, I will create one for this year)
11:22:24 <McCool> mm: mz to do draft of uc part, 4-5 slides, I will do requirements part (also 4-5 slides)
11:22:44 <McCool> ... do intro/conclusion next time
11:23:13 <kaz> kaz: can look into the HTML template to make sure also
11:23:26 <McCool> kaz: I will look up what else is needed for a template, e.g. standard opening material
11:23:36 <kaz> s/kaz: can look into the HTML template to make sure also//
11:24:07 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/Talks/TPAC/Templates/ HTML template
11:24:40 <McCool> topic: Minutes
11:24:52 <kaz> s/template/template (just fyi)/
11:25:00 <McCool> mz: Approve https://www.w3.org/2024/08/07-wot-uc-minutes.html ?
11:25:02 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/08/07-wot-uc-minutes.html Aug-7
11:25:14 <McCool> mz: last time Ege proposed a new usecase template
11:25:45 <McCool> mz: ege proposed a simpler template
11:26:09 <McCool> ... also discussed how to improve process
11:26:20 <McCool> ... including possible co-moderator
11:27:24 <McCool> mz: Any objections to approving?  None... approved.
11:27:31 <McCool> topic: Use Case Template
11:27:43 <McCool> mz: discussed Ege's proposal
11:28:04 <McCool> mz: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/300
11:28:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/300 PR 300 - New Use Case Template Proposal
11:29:02 <kaz> q+
11:29:35 <kaz> *RESOLUTION* Discuss the new template given in usecases PR w3c/wot-usecases#300 in the main call today and call for a resolution to adopt it on Sept 4 - in the meantime, do test cases based on TD use cases and request feedback and suggested changes in the PR.
11:29:51 <McCool> ... last call achieved consensus - call for resolution, request feedback in the meantime
11:30:59 <kaz> s/... last/kaz: last/
11:31:22 <kaz> ack k
11:31:45 <kaz> s/consensus/consensus as above/
11:33:01 <kaz> q+
11:33:04 <McCool> mm: so one comment I want to point out, mentioned by Ege in the PR, that the template is for current WoT users, not new users.  He feels there is enough work to get caught up with current users.  I'm ok with that - we already have a lot of material to work with.
11:33:38 <kaz> ack k
11:35:17 <McCool> mm: also, for TPAC, we could ask Ege to present on the template, although since he is on vacation right now, mz should still do the initial draft of those slides, based on the new template (assuming we adopt it).
11:35:31 <kaz> q+
11:35:53 <kaz> q-
11:36:30 <McCool> mm: suggest we resolve to adopt the template right now, subject to a few refinements based on experience capturing TD (and possibly Discovery) use cases.
11:36:33 <McCool> kaz: agree
11:36:50 <McCool> luca: also agree
11:37:39 <McCool> proposal: Adopt the new template in https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/300, subject to possible refinement after testing.
11:37:53 <McCool> proposal: Adopt the new Use Case template in https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/300, subject to possible refinement after testing.
11:38:13 <kaz> s|proposal: Adopt the new template in https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/300, subject to possible refinement after testing.||
11:38:29 <McCool> resolution: Adopt the new Use Case template in https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/300, subject to possible refinement after testing.
11:38:51 <McCool> mz: merging PR#300
11:39:14 <kaz> q+
11:39:22 <kaz> q-
11:40:17 <McCool> topic: Progress
11:40:42 <McCool> mm: myself to be temporary co-moderator - can call for a resolution in the main call today
11:40:55 <McCool> ... my focus will be on requirements
11:43:23 <McCool> ... maybe only for a few months, to get requirements organized
11:43:43 <kaz> q+
11:44:18 <McCool> mm: my proposal for requirements can be via the "presentation"
11:44:26 <McCool> ... we may or may not use a YAML template
11:44:51 <McCool> ... we need also to talk to Koster and Ege; can concentrate on existing requirements from TD and Discovery
11:45:10 <kaz> q-
11:46:23 <McCool> mm: also suggest we don't worry about technical vs functional
11:46:58 <McCool> kaz: think also we need to look at communication streams; TD task force will talk about that later today
11:48:26 <kaz> q+
11:48:52 <McCool> mz: can TD representatives join this call?
11:50:28 <McCool> mm: maybe, maybe not, but what I think is we should just ask them what they want
11:50:42 <McCool> mz: other groups should also let us know what they need
11:50:53 <kaz> q-
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11:51:21 <kaz> s/other groups/other TFs/
11:52:09 <McCool> mm: other groups are not really active right now - except Profiles
11:52:13 <kaz> q-
11:52:28 <kaz> s/other groups/other TFs/
11:52:44 <McCool> mm: luca, how should be organize requirements from profile
11:53:16 <McCool> ... in fact this may help clarify what profiles are for
11:54:00 <kaz> i/other TFs/kaz: note that as recorded in the minutes from the Aug-7 call (as Mizushima-san is showing on his display), we wanted to start to ask the TD TF about their existing use cases first/
11:54:11 <kaz> i/note that/scribenick: kaz/
11:54:18 <kaz> i/are not really/scribenick: McCool/
11:54:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:54:34 <kaz> q?
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11:56:33 <kaz> ack k
11:57:30 <kaz> ack m
11:57:45 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:57:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:59:14 <kaz> chair: Mizushima
11:59:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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