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13:59:13 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
13:59:14 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:59:33 <janina> meeting: WAI-Adapt Weekly Teleconference
13:59:43 <janina> Date: 27 Aug 2024
13:59:49 <janina> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
13:59:55 <janina> agenda+ Introduction, Any Updates?
13:59:55 <janina> agenda+ Virtual TPAC submission
13:59:55 <janina> agenda+ Github actions and PRs
13:59:55 <janina> agenda+ Symbols: Issue 240 Way Forward
13:59:55 <janina> agenda+ Symbols: vocabulary
14:00:01 <janina> agenda+ Issues raised in the Well Known Destination/URL Git
14:00:02 <janina> agenda+ Recruiting
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14:00:22 <janina>  regrets: Abhinav
14:01:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> present_
14:01:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:01:45 <janina> present+
14:04:00 <janina> scribe+
14:04:04 <janina> zakim, next item
14:04:04 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introduction, Any Updates? -- taken up [from janina]
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14:04:41 <matatk> present+
14:05:04 <matatk> agenda?
14:05:11 <janina> matatk: Can attend full call today after all
14:05:30 <janina> matatk: And conflicts will only be random--so not regularly this slot
14:08:35 <janina> agenda?
14:08:58 <janina> zakim, next item
14:08:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Virtual TPAC submission -- taken up [from janina]
14:09:46 <janina> matatk: Believe we decided no Wednesday breakouts from Adapt TF
14:10:11 <janina> matatk: Arriving Sunday, leaving Saturday
14:11:05 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Arriving 6AM Monday; leaving late Thursday
14:11:33 <janina> janina: Arriving sometime Sunday (from Palm springs); leaving late morning Saturday
14:12:37 <janina> matatk: Suggests asking TPAC organizer for any potential ride along
14:14:16 <janina> matatk: The APA wiki is up
14:14:34 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2024
14:15:36 <janina> matatk: Notes our conversation with WHAT WG is all Adapt -- both Symbols and WKD
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14:16:05 <Russell> present+
14:16:18 <janina> present+ Russell
14:17:56 <janina> agenda?
14:18:14 <janina> zakim, take up item 7
14:18:14 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Recruiting -- taken up [from janina]
14:18:31 <janina> janina: Notes we've yet no IE app from Analou
14:18:47 <janina> matatk: Believe she did, but for the wrong group; needs to be APA and wasn't
14:19:13 <janina> janina: Yes, unless someone told her APA, she wouldn't have known
14:19:20 <janina> matatk: Will resend the link
14:19:50 <janina> matatk: It's OK if it waits for her return from holliday
14:20:13 <janina> agenda?
14:20:38 <janina> zakim, next item
14:20:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Virtual TPAC submission -- taken up [from janina]
14:20:44 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:20:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:20:45 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:20:45 <Zakim> 3. Github actions and PRs [from janina]
14:20:49 <janina> zakim, next item
14:20:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github actions and PRs -- taken up [from janina]
14:20:54 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:20:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/27-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:21:20 <janina> matatk: Update on updating our Explainer to expected format
14:21:38 <janina> matatk: We have for WKD and need one for Symbols
14:21:52 <janina> matatk: Some can come out of the spec and into the Explainer
14:22:14 <janina> matatk: I've made an Explainers dir under our repo with a README
14:22:30 <janina> matatk: This is the expected organizational structure
14:23:02 <janina> matatk: Still need to split out Symbols into its own Explainer--relatively easy task;
14:23:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
14:23:13 <janina> matatk: Can even use text from issue 240
14:23:28 <janina> matatk: Overall Explainer for Adapt needs to be put into expected format
14:23:54 <janina> matatk: Overall should be light because we point to individual Explainers for those details
14:24:54 <janina> matatk: When? By TPAC ... We need to point WHAT to this content and have it show up in a form they expect
14:25:33 <janina> matatk: Still mulling ...
14:25:45 <janina> matatk: Our CR for Symbols ...
14:26:05 <janina> matatk: Explainer needs to faithfully map the spec
14:26:29 <janina> matatk: Should we write explainer for Unicode? Or match spec
14:28:36 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:28:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/27-adapt-minutes.html janina
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14:29:50 <janina> janina: Proposes pulling CR back to WD with a note
14:29:55 <Russell> q+
14:30:13 <janina> matatk: We've had no response; We need actual response to have agreement
14:30:57 <janina> matatk: Still Q msg on authoring
14:31:19 <janina> janina: Still suggest pull CR to WD and add a Note about status and point to 240
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14:31:22 <janina> matatk: Agree
14:31:54 <janina> russell: We're not yet in Unicode; so can't spec on it because it's not yet in
14:32:20 <janina> russell: Like noting alternatives
14:32:42 <janina> Russell: We can write to Unicode but also document alternatives so it's all on the table before any implementations
14:33:15 <janina> russell: Important that current unicode IDs may change
14:33:47 <janina> russell: Until we know we don't know--could be a different block
14:34:09 <janina> zakim, next item
14:34:09 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
14:34:21 <janina> q?
14:34:27 <janina> ack rus
14:34:32 <janina> zakim, next item
14:34:32 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Symbols: Issue 240 Way Forward -- taken up [from janina]
14:35:10 <janina> russell: 240 response is written using BCI and not using hex
14:35:37 <janina> russell: There will people who will prefer hex and remembering which visual symbol
14:35:57 <janina> russell: We should offer that option
14:36:32 <matatk> q+ re representations
14:36:48 <janina> ack ma
14:36:48 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to discuss representations
14:37:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:37:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/27-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:37:07 <janina> matatk: Understood! It's important
14:37:31 <janina> matatk: Whatever they think they'l implement is probably what we'll do
14:37:40 <janina> matatk: They need to understand composite though
14:38:04 <janina> matatk: We should design to make it easy for a parser to understand what representation is being used
14:38:58 <janina> matatk: Looking to the future, how do we add more values; i.e. more than one BCI ID
14:40:20 <janina> russell: Michael has tried to add every possible symbol into unicode
14:40:41 <janina> russell: What will change are the composites; so it is more like English orthography per Janina's concern
14:41:08 <janina> russell: There will be additional composites, but not individual code points
14:42:22 <janina> matatk: Notes value of attribute not the same as what text is displayed to user
14:42:38 <janina> matatk: so not &[values];
14:44:15 <janina> russell: For Bliss people, looking at either is fine; but not universal even in AAC world; many do, but not all
14:44:28 <matatk> q+ re authoring considerations and separation of composite values
14:44:42 <janina> ack ma
14:44:43 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to discuss authoring considerations and separation of composite values
14:44:55 <janina> matatk: Eve if difficult, should be possible to handcraft
14:45:55 <janina> matatk: We will need to strongly put across the composite nature of symbol use in authoring
14:46:11 <janina> s/put across/communicate/
14:47:42 <janina> matatk: to have future potential for future composites, we will need to space separate and comma separate for charac representations, and concepts respectively in the keys
14:47:47 <janina> matatk: Just a suggestion
14:48:15 <janina> russell: Indicate which kind of ID by how represented?
14:48:38 <janina> matatk: comma separation then won't care whether BCI or unicode ...
14:48:45 <janina> matatk: Can produce examples ...
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14:49:54 <matatk> e.g. adapt-symbol="0x4242, 8857, 0x4444 0x2222, 3856"
14:50:08 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:50:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/27-adapt-minutes.html janina
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14:51:45 <janina> matatk: Example has four concepts, first by one char, second by BCI id, third by two chars, and forth by BCI
14:52:03 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:52:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/27-adapt-minutes.html janina
14:52:16 <janina> russell: think I like it
14:52:51 <janina> russell: that would work
14:52:58 <janina> matatk: Can turn this into an Explainer
14:53:21 <janina> russell: Simplifies for talking with people used to thinking this way
14:53:32 <janina> matatk: Can see how to write-up in a way that's understandable
14:54:03 <janina> subtopic: Michael and Unicode Incorporation
14:54:25 <janina> russell: Paying work has gotten in the way!
14:55:14 <janina> russell: Michael is credited some 105 times for unicode contributions
14:55:53 <janina> russell: So a matter of time
14:56:26 <janina> russell: Google Michael Everson unicode
14:56:34 <janina> matatk: Appears to e a Wikipedia on him
14:56:51 <janina> russell: We can't do any better--it will happen
14:57:53 <janina> zakim, end meeting
14:57:53 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, janina, matatk, Russell
14:57:55 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/27-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
14:58:02 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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