12:59:38 RRSAgent has joined #wcag2ict 12:59:42 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/08/16-wcag2ict-irc 12:59:42 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:59:43 Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference 12:59:44 zakim, clear agenda 12:59:44 agenda cleared 12:59:49 chair: Mary Jo Mueller 13:00:10 meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Extra Friday Teleconference 13:03:43 mitch11 has joined #wcag2ict 13:03:47 present+ 13:05:19 q+ to say I'll drop at :45 13:06:12 PhilDay has joined #wcag2ict 13:06:16 TOPIC: Issue 476 13:06:18 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/476 13:06:29 bruce_bailey has joined #wcag2ict 13:06:36 present 13:06:40 present+ 13:06:43 present+ 13:06:51 zakim, agenda? 13:06:51 I see nothing on the agenda 13:08:10 scribe+ PhilDay 13:08:17 Discussing issue 476 13:08:47 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/476 13:09:21 Should we add a link to "software" in our word substitutions where it doesn't appear in the original WCAG language? 13:09:58 mitch11: This use of the definition looks good. May not be appropriate to put it everywhere 13:10:45 sounds good 13:10:54 TOPIC: Issue 473 13:10:55 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/473 13:13:09 bruce_bailey: Add a sentence - tell people how to adapt them, then show an example rather than doing a formal word substitution. 13:13:24 maryjom: Our role is not to define every case - it is not a normative document 13:13:42 mitch11: Desire is to make this document more formal, but I can't see a real need for doing it 13:14:24 mitch11: I don't think that more formality will result in a better document here 13:14:35 +1 more formality will not result in better results 13:15:17 mitch11: Sets of software programs - is rare, perhaps non-existent. Sets of documents do exist 13:18:50 ChrisLoiselle: Was reading through this earlier - may be worth considering a differentiation between group & set 13:19:44 ... Looks like he might have used group & set interchangeably - but if there may be a more granular level that is needed. May be worth raising to WCAG 13:20:48 be right back, apologies 13:21:31 mitch11: Trying to draft a reply. It can apply to documents as well. You could have to overlapping sets of documents. But I don't think there is any harm in that - you evaluate each set independently 13:21:53 back 13:22:18 Draft response: The question is clearly stated. The Task Force considered making the advisory content more formal, but decided against making a change. While overlapping sets could occur, ... 13:22:32 we do not foresee a problem in evaluating each set as a set. 13:27:30 +1 13:27:49 Proposal 1: No change to the content, with the following proposed answer 13:27:49 The question is clearly stated. The Task Force considered making the advisory content regarding “sets of software” and “sets of documents” more formal, but decided against making any changes. While overlapping sets could occur, we do not foresee a problem in evaluating each overlapping set as a set. 13:28:16 I think we could remove that first sentence and still express the rest. 13:29:14 Proposal 1: No change to the content, with the following proposed answer 13:29:14 Thank you for your question regarding WCAG2ICT. The Task Force considered making the advisory content regarding “sets of software” and “sets of documents” more formal, but decided against making any changes. While overlapping sets could occur, we do not foresee a problem in evaluating each overlapping set as a set. 13:29:23 This will go to the TF for review & approval 13:30:47 TOPIC: issue 465 13:30:49 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/465 13:32:45 Issue came from APA working group: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2024Aug/0006.html 13:33:03 Question on whether we should distinguish between platform software, and underlying platform software 13:34:47 mitch11: Agree it is confusing as it is. But it may be rather difficult to make this change - it's a complex update. Suggest we work on a 1 or 2 examples to see if we can reword it, then see how it works before we try and do all of them 13:36:57 Editorial change: in Example under NOTE 2 of the definition of platform software. Should read: Example: Examples of platform SOFTWARE are. 13:37:02 (caps show the insertion) 13:37:54 Looking at SC 2.5.1 to see if the use of "underlying" has modified the meaning of "platform software" 13:38:37 mitch11: Has already proposed an edit for these 2 notes, so there may still be an outstanding PR 13:40:15 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/pull/467 13:40:41 Fix in above PR might also fix the problem that was raised in this issue 13:41:07 added underlying layer phrasing too in note 4 13:42:25 mitch11: This this SC is a good example that we should work on. Use of underlying is sensible to differentiate between 2 layers of the architecture that we are talking about. 13:43:15 +1 agreed we have made better already 13:44:50 bruce_bailey: underlying looks like it is part of the link. 13:45:17 It is actually part of the word insertion, which still looks quite similar to a link. 13:47:39 PhilDay: could consider changing the order of the sentence, so the word underlying is removed, and add "that sits beneath the software application" at the end 13:50:27 Current NOTE 3 13:50:27 This requirement applies to [user agents and other software applications that interpret] pointer actions (i.e. this does not apply to actions that are required to operate the [underlying platform software] or assistive technology). 13:50:27 Reorder NOTE 3 13:50:27 This requirement applies to [user agents and other software applications that interpret] pointer actions (i.e. this does not apply to actions that are required to operate the [platform software] or assistive technology that sit beneath the software application). 13:50:56 Same approach could be used for 2.5.2 13:51:56 Same note exists for 2.5.1, 2.5.2, 2.5.7 so we could re-order for all 3 13:52:04 3.3.8 uses the term 13:53:14 I vote for holding off per what we recently changed and if need be, could change if not sufficient enough 13:53:15 The changes we already made might be enough - Mary Jo to go back to matatk 13:54:46 keyboard interface definition. we could just drop the word "underlying" and keep the meaning 13:57:35 3.3.8, NOTE 3, the underlying is needed. 13:58:08 Consensus is to show matatk the changes in the latest PR to see if this makes it clearer. Also explain the highlighting is a word sub, not a key term 13:59:44 Still have a number of items that are unassigned. Pick any and work on them! 13:59:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:59:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html PhilDay 14:00:40 zakim, end meeting 14:00:40 As of this point the attendees have been mitch, PhilDay, bruce_bailey 14:00:41 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 14:00:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim 14:00:49 I am happy to have been of service, maryjom; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 14:00:50 Zakim has left #wcag2ict 14:00:54 present+ mitch, maryjom 14:01:07 present+ Chris 14:01:15 rrsagent, make minutes 14:01:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 14:05:25 present- mitch 14:05:30 rrsagent, make minutes 14:05:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 14:05:53 rrsagent, bye 14:05:53 I see no action items