13:44:05 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 13:44:09 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/08/08-i18n-irc 13:44:17 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/bc275b6e-6c38-4ed5-b324-6606a0c6cca7/20240808T150000/ 13:44:17 clear agenda 13:44:17 agenda+ Agenda Review 13:44:17 agenda+ Action Items 13:44:18 agenda+ Info Share 13:44:20 agenda+ RADAR Review 13:44:22 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 13:44:22 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 13:44:25 agenda+ AOB? 13:44:27 Chair: Addison Phillips 13:44:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/08-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:02:38 scribe+ 14:02:46 present+ Bert, Addison, Fuqiao, Richard 14:02:52 regrets+ JcK 14:04:26 zakim, take up agendum 1 14:04:27 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:04:29 agenda? 14:06:52 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:06:52 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:07:12 #90 14:07:12 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18 14:07:34 #33 14:07:34 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 14:07:54 addison: Probably an agenda item next week. 14:08:01 #16 14:08:01 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16 -> Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips) due 1 Jan 2024 14:08:04 #8 14:08:04 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:08:10 #7 14:08:10 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 14:08:21 #4 14:08:22 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 14:08:36 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:08:36 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:09:03 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:09:03 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:09:11 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1 14:09:51 xfq: I raised an issue on WCAG2 and got a reply. 14:10:14 agenda+ Programmatically determine the language of text (WCAG2ICT) 14:11:09 addison: Atsushi said he had no issues on Incremental Font Transfer, but maybe he had one after all. 14:11:23 ... I'll make it a pending issue to discuss next week. 14:11:33 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:11:33 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:11:41 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending 14:12:24 addison: Moving all my Infra issues to Infra land. Otherwise nothing stands out. 14:12:32 i18n-activity#1870 14:12:33 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1870 -> Issue 1870 [css-content] Styling applied to a quoted element should not affect the quotation marks (by w3cbot) [pending] [s:css-content] [needs-resolution] [wg:css] 14:12:46 ... Not sure about #1870. 14:12:46 Issue 1870 not found 14:13:09 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10468 14:13:09 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10468 -> Issue 10468 [css-content] Styling applied to a quoted element should not affect the quotation marks (by r12a) [css-content-3] [i18n-needs-resolution] 14:13:59 r12a: Related to the long-running discussion on quotes. But not quite the same. 14:14:14 addison: I think we'll agree. I'll remove "pending". 14:15:12 r12a: It needs some other labels. Adding them now. 14:15:23 agenda? 14:15:36 zakim, take up agendum 7 14:15:36 agendum 7 -- Programmatically determine the language of text (WCAG2ICT) -- taken up [from xfq] 14:15:51 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/463 14:15:53 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/463 -> Issue 463 Programmatically determine the language of text (by xfq) [i18n-needs-resolution] 14:16:32 xfq: We discussed this before. I'm asking them what they are trying to accomplish. 14:16:54 ... Is it heuristic determination of language? What about the exception list? 14:17:24 ... It is about whether the assistive tech can determine the language, from markup or any other means. 14:17:59 ... If it can, the success criteria succeed. 14:18:09 ... They didn't answer why the exception list. 14:19:11 addison: the explanation from Gregg is clearer than the text in the spec. 14:19:42 ... But the exception list is still there. 14:20:06 xfq: I can ask them about the list of exceptions. 14:20:44 ... Should we ask them to add a note to explain about what "programmatically determined" is? They have a definition, but maybe it is not clear enough. 14:20:59 ... Another option is to switch to a different term. 14:21:24 addison: I'd argue with their exception list. 14:22:10 ... Assume you have a paragraph marked as French and a proper name inside it. That proper name is still in French. 14:24:21 https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/ 14:25:30 xfq: The text is from WCAG, with "non-web document" replacing the text there. 14:26:42 addison: APIs can provide language metadata. 14:27:32 s/the text/"content"/ 14:28:07 xfq: One thing we can do is ask about the list of exceptions. 14:28:37 addison: Maybe we discussed this in the past already. Would need to look at old issues. 14:28:45 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Awcag+language+ 14:28:58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Awcag 14:29:41 xfq: ^ this is the list of issues on GitHub, but maybe it was before we used GitHub. 14:31:17 addison: Maybe they should add something to the note avout what is going on, in particular the list of exceptions. 14:31:17 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1882 14:31:18 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1882 -> Issue 1882 Programmatically determine the language of text (by xfq) [needs-resolution] [t:lang_strings] [wg:ag] [s:wcag2ict] 14:32:23 agenda? 14:32:27 xfq: I'll add a comment. 14:32:38 zakim, take up agendum 6 14:32:38 agendum 6 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:33:39 Bert: regrets for next week 14:33:51 rrsagent, make minutes 14:33:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/08-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:34:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/08-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:34:14 zakim, bye 14:34:14 leaving. 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