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18:18:22 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
18:18:40 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge (A11yEdge) Community Group Weekly Teleconference
18:18:46 <janina> Date: 07 Aug 2024
18:18:51 <janina> Chair: Janina
18:19:34 <janina> agenda+ Welcome, Announcements,  & Introductions (As needed)
18:20:07 <janina> agenda+Capabilities Nesting (Continued Review):
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18:30:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
18:31:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
18:31:08 <janina> present+
18:31:11 <janina> scribe+
18:35:43 <janina> subtopic: W3C Communications Survey Posted
18:35:46 <janina> English Members: https://gzobeteisdd.typeform.com/to/uaESY6Q8
18:35:56 <janina> English External: https://gzobeteisdd.typeform.com/to/TeoUTslq
18:44:23 <janina> zakim, next item
18:44:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Welcome, Announcements,  & Introductions (As needed) -- taken up [from janina]
18:44:43 <janina> see above for the W3C survey!
18:44:47 <janina> zakim, close this item
18:44:47 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
18:44:48 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
18:44:48 <Zakim> 2. Capabilities Nesting (Continued Review): [from janina]
18:44:50 <janina> zakim, next item
18:44:50 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Capabilities Nesting (Continued Review): -- taken up [from janina]
18:45:06 <janina> subtopic: Video Description
18:45:11 <janina> How does edge do that
18:49:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
18:49:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: With the great leaps in computer vision, describing scenes is now very possible
18:49:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The challenge of interleaving added video description with dialog and sounds remains
18:50:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... not only does it need to generate a good textual description, it needs to interleave it well
18:50:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... though the MAUR supports pausing a video, to give time for extended descriptions
18:50:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: That's why automatability is 'in some cases'
18:55:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: ACTION move 4.3.1 "Optimize Color Contrast" to be under the heading 2, Color
18:58:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Add a new heading 3, "Color Personalization".
18:58:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... See for example 1.4.6
18:58:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> ...  “Some of the combinations that could be chosen may have contrast levels that will be lower than those specified here. This is not a violation of this Success Criterion, provided there is a mechanism that will return to the required values set out here.” (1.4.6)
18:59:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: .... Automatability? No meaningful way. If a person could have a privacy preserving portable profile, that could be carried and applied to many sites
19:01:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Next heading 1
19:02:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: 5.1.1 Expose Structural Semantics, add Automatability: In Most Cases
19:02:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... 5.1.2 "Normalize Control & Content Layout" -- move to Aspirational
19:04:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... 5.3.2 and 5.3.3 are very similar; Form Labels and Form Validation
19:06:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Move "Managing Time Outs" to Forms
19:08:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... 5.6.2 handle dynamic pages -- move up to Semantic Structures
19:08:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: OK to enhance readability, interchange Forms and Structural Semantics
19:09:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: ... move 5.7.1 correct semantic behavior to the Semantic Heading 2
19:11:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Change "native HTML elements cannot fully describe the widget???s function"
19:11:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... to read, "native HTML elements cannot fully describe their own function without the extra markup."
19:12:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Change the heading from "5.7.2 apply or adjust ARIA elements" to "apply or adjust ARIA" and move to the Semantic heading 2
19:13:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Move "5.7.3 replace component when needed with an accessible version" also under semantic. Pending approval by others.
19:15:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: All of 5.8 "Textual Affectations" describe CSS adjustments. Move them all to 4.2 text styling
19:15:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... or perhaps a new H2 called Page Styling
19:16:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Keep your eye out for bugs on the H3s, as they are rendering as H4s on my screen
19:16:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: And I will move "5.8.2 Interactive Text Elements" into "Navigation"
19:17:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... rename 5.10 Authentication to 5.10 User Authentication
19:18:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Change "way&mdasy;" to "way&mdash;"
19:19:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Rename Video Alternatives to be Rich Media
19:20:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Move 5.12 Rich Media to the new Rich Media section 3.2. Change its name to, "Other Rich Media Enhancements"
19:21:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Move 5.13 Voice Command to Navigation
19:23:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Chris
19:25:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: Speaking of drop caps, Deckled edges come to mind
19:25:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Also speaking of color contrast, there are still many sites with poor color contrast
19:26:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... customized color would enable an end user to solve this themselves
19:26:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
19:26:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Chris
19:26:48 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:26:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/07-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
19:26:56 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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