IRC log of adapt on 2024-08-06

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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agenda/
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adenda?
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Meeting: WAI-Adapt Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 06 Aug 2024
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Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
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agenda+ Introduction, logistics. Any Updates?
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agenda+ TPAC Preps
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agenda+ Symbols explainer
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agenda+ WKD Github actions and PRs
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present+
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scribe+
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present+
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present+
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present_+
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present+
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agenda?
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/06-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:04:02 [Lionel_Wolberger]
scribe+
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Introduction, logistics. Any Updates? -- taken up [from janina]
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q+ to ask about time off
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present+
14:05:34 [janina]
Janina expects to be gone Aug 20-22
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scribe+
14:05:51 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
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I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Lionel_Wolberger
14:05:52 [matatk]
matatk: I may be gone on the 20th too
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ack me
14:05:54 [Zakim]
matatk, you wanted to ask about time off
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q?
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- TPAC Preps -- taken up [from janina]
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Lionel_Wolberger: Let's revisit next week
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matatk: Reminds people to register especially if in person
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matatk: Notes schedule is decided, but we're still working details
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Lionel_Wolberger: Recalls to print more AAC handouts
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Symbols explainer -- taken up [from janina]
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Russell: Just checked and nothing new on 240
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matatk: Think we should decide whether we want response ahead of TPAC, or whether we're OK to get closure at TPAC
14:13:33 [janina]
matatk: If ahead we should be clear on our agenda
14:14:01 [janina]
matatk: Believe no news from Unicode? Would we know it's not going in this year?
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Russell: Believe I would have heard by now
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matatk: Are their minutes public?
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matatk: Might we start using?
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Russell: Advice is to not use until formally adopted
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Russell: Believe minutes may be public, will look
14:15:53 [janina]
matatk: Would be good to have a sense whether there are serious blockers that would put us back more than months
14:16:28 [janina]
matatk: With that understanding we can figure out next steps and agenda
14:17:36 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: The "and therefore we should" means changes to the draft
14:17:51 [matatk]
q+ re mapping exercise
14:18:16 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... we care about user agent rendering, and how authors will 'decorate' their content with the correct symbols
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... we need tooling for that
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... this means there are two documents to update
14:18:37 [matatk]
q+ re testing
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q?
14:19:08 [matatk]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/06-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:19:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... once we get confident that unicode will be there, we can take these steps to rely on it
14:19:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]
matatk: If time permits, I suggest we do a mapping excercise
14:19:43 [janina]
matatk: It would be good to do a mapping exercise from our key to different symbol sets
14:19:58 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... a mapping from our key to a relevant symbol in another set, e.g., ARASAAC
14:20:08 [janina]
matatk: For now with BCI, but would give us a sense of how viable
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matatk: Notes his tool also included rendering; and helps in viability review
14:21:36 [Lionel_Wolberger]
matatk: I propose we select a large froup of pages, say 1M
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... decide some portion of the target pages to decorate (perhaps just headings)
14:22:00 [janina]
matatk: We can test rendering to test how it looks rendered apart from semantic accuracy
14:22:00 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... then have a script screenshot the page
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... we would then see if symbol rendering would break pages
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... the mappings would be part of the registry
14:22:46 [janina]
matatk: mappings could become registry updates
14:22:52 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... the testing, on rendering would be associated with the specification
14:22:54 [janina]
matatk: we can work on apart from unicode
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janina: ARASAAC is not going into Unicode.
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Russell: Agree
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janina: The value proposition is that we (a) enable the decoration of symbols and (b) they will render in the symbols ideal for the end user
14:24:58 [matatk]
scribe+
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Lionel_Wolberger: Should we be writing an Explainer before TPAC?
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janina: Need to figure out priorities and allocate time as best we can.
14:26:08 [matatk]
janina: We have some next steps.
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matatk: If we find unicode not in, it's a reason to go back and update 240
14:29:28 [janina]
matatk: If the outcome is we'll wait and implement, that's a good outcome
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matatk: But also is let's take the registry path in that case; also a good outcome
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Russell: I think we're understanding it's not in this year
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matatk: Only to know if there's a substantive reason
14:33:50 [janina]
matatk: We need acceptance from WHAT to push further on adoption with Unicode
14:34:37 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: Our main Adapt TF page from W3C links to https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/groups/task-forces/personalization/
14:34:51 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... suggest Roy bounce that link to https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/groups/task-forces/adapt/
14:35:52 [janina]
Lionel_Wolberger: Suggest our Explainer move symbols up top
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zakim, next item
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I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Lionel_Wolberger
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q?
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q?
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q?
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ack me
14:37:07 [Zakim]
matatk, you wanted to discuss mapping exercise and to discuss testing
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ack matatk
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- WKD Github actions and PRs -- taken up [from janina]
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q+
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ack ma
14:38:09 [janina]
matatk: Have read most ... very exciting
14:38:29 [Lionel_Wolberger]
matatk: I read the materials
14:38:38 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... thanks to Abhinav for the overview
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... there is room for Adapt to define semantics and types of links
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... Linksets supports a rich language for stating, here are links from a particular page
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... e.g., we could state 'here is the accessibility statement for this page'
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... e.g., we could state 'here is the relevant help and support for this page'
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... the significant challenge I see is a "one to many" issue
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... there is no wild card for assigning these mappings
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... Given that I could not find this, it seems a site would have to assign a linkset for every single page
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... There is a standard for URL wildcards
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... so logically, these should be able to be combined
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Abhinav: To restate, if a given destination e.g., home, is common to many pages
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... how do we assign this common 'home' page to every single page
14:43:02 [matatk]
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9264.html#name-link-target-object
14:45:13 [Lionel_Wolberger]
matatk: We could ask Phil these questions
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+1
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matatk: If Phil says no, perhaps we will consider modifying linksets to meet our needs
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q+
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q?
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ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:47:28 [matatk]
Abhinav: So we could look into extending the RFC if we need to add that capability?
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Lionel_Wolberger: Who's the standards body here?
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14:48:06 [matatk]
matatk: IETF (same as well-known URIs)
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... We are talking about IETF and RFC 9264
14:49:56 [Abhinav]
{ "linkset":
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[
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{ "anchor": "https://example.net/bar",
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"next": [
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{"href": "https://example.com/foo1"}
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]
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},
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{ "anchor": "https://example.net/boo",
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"https://example.com/relations/baz" : [
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{"href": "https://example.com/foo2"}
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]
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}
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]
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}
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{
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"linkset": [
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{
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"anchor": "https://example.com/*",
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"href": "https://example.com/home",
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"rel": "home"
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}
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]
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}
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Abhinav: I suspect this will not support wildcards
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been janina, Abhinav, matatk, Lionel_Wolberger, Russell
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/06-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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