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13:45:13 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:45:15 <janina> agenda/
13:45:21 <janina> adenda?
13:45:37 <janina> Meeting: WAI-Adapt Weekly Teleconference
13:45:44 <janina> Date: 06 Aug 2024
13:46:24 <janina> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
13:46:27 <janina> agenda+ Introduction, logistics. Any Updates?
13:46:27 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Preps
13:46:27 <janina> agenda+ Symbols explainer
13:46:27 <janina> agenda+ WKD Github actions and PRs
13:58:22 <janina>  present+
13:58:25 <janina> scribe+
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14:02:40 <Abhinav> present+
14:02:51 <matatk> present+
14:02:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> present_+
14:03:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:03:02 <matatk> agenda?
14:03:15 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:03:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/06-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:04:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
14:04:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introduction, logistics. Any Updates? -- taken up [from janina]
14:04:42 <Russell> Russell has joined #adapt
14:04:44 <matatk> q+ to ask about time off
14:04:48 <Russell> present+
14:05:34 <janina> Janina expects to be gone Aug 20-22
14:05:44 <matatk> scribe+
14:05:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:05:51 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Lionel_Wolberger
14:05:52 <matatk> matatk: I may be gone on the 20th too
14:05:54 <matatk> ack me
14:05:54 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to ask about time off
14:05:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:06:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:06:17 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC Preps -- taken up [from janina]
14:06:17 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Let's revisit next week
14:08:31 <janina> matatk: Reminds people to register especially if in person
14:09:27 <janina> matatk: Notes schedule is decided, but we're still working details
14:11:30 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Recalls to print more AAC handouts
14:12:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:12:06 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Symbols explainer -- taken up [from janina]
14:12:36 <janina> Russell: Just checked and nothing new on 240
14:13:14 <janina> matatk: Think we should decide whether we want response ahead of TPAC, or whether we're OK to get closure at TPAC
14:13:33 <janina> matatk: If ahead we should be clear on our agenda
14:14:01 <janina> matatk: Believe no news from Unicode? Would we know it's not going in this year?
14:14:08 <janina> Russell: Believe I would have heard by now
14:14:33 <janina> matatk: Are their minutes public?
14:14:50 <janina> matatk: Might we start using?
14:15:01 <janina> Russell: Advice is to not use until formally adopted
14:15:10 <janina> Russell: Believe minutes may be public, will look
14:15:53 <janina> matatk: Would be good to have a sense whether there are serious blockers that would put us back more than months
14:16:28 <janina> matatk: With that understanding we can figure out next steps and agenda
14:17:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The "and therefore we should" means changes to the draft
14:17:51 <matatk> q+ re mapping exercise
14:18:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we care about user agent rendering, and how authors will 'decorate' their content with the correct symbols
14:18:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we need tooling for that
14:18:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this means there are two documents to update
14:18:37 <matatk> q+ re testing
14:18:41 <matatk> q?
14:19:08 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:19:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/06-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:19:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... once we get confident that unicode will be there, we can take these steps to rely on it
14:19:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: If time permits, I suggest we do a mapping excercise
14:19:43 <janina> matatk: It would be good to do a mapping exercise from our key to different symbol sets
14:19:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a mapping from our key to a relevant symbol in another set, e.g., ARASAAC
14:20:08 <janina> matatk: For now with BCI, but would give us a sense of how viable
14:21:18 <janina> matatk: Notes his tool also included rendering; and helps in viability review
14:21:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I propose we select a large froup of pages, say 1M
14:21:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... decide some portion of the target pages to decorate (perhaps just headings)
14:22:00 <janina> matatk: We can test rendering to test how it looks rendered apart from semantic accuracy
14:22:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... then have a script screenshot the page
14:22:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we would then see if symbol rendering would break pages
14:22:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the mappings would be part of the registry
14:22:46 <janina> matatk: mappings could become registry updates
14:22:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the testing, on rendering would be associated with the specification
14:22:54 <janina> matatk: we can work on apart from unicode
14:23:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: ARASAAC is not going into Unicode.
14:23:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Agree
14:24:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The value proposition is that we (a) enable the decoration of symbols and (b) they will render in the symbols ideal for the end user
14:24:58 <matatk> scribe+
14:25:08 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Should we be writing an Explainer before TPAC?
14:26:00 <matatk> janina: Need to figure out priorities and allocate time as best we can.
14:26:08 <matatk> janina: We have some next steps.
14:29:12 <janina> matatk: If we find unicode not in, it's a reason to go back and update 240
14:29:28 <janina> matatk: If the outcome is we'll wait and implement, that's a good outcome
14:29:44 <janina> matatk: But also is let's take the registry path in that case; also a good outcome
14:30:03 <janina> Russell: I think we're understanding it's not in this year
14:30:20 <janina> matatk: Only to know if there's a substantive reason
14:33:50 <janina> matatk: We need acceptance from WHAT to push further on adoption with Unicode
14:34:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Our main Adapt TF page from W3C links to https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/groups/task-forces/personalization/
14:34:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... suggest Roy bounce that link to https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/groups/task-forces/adapt/
14:35:52 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Suggest our Explainer move symbols up top
14:37:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:37:01 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Lionel_Wolberger
14:37:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:37:04 <matatk> q?
14:37:06 <janina> q?
14:37:06 <matatk> ack me
14:37:07 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to discuss mapping exercise and to discuss testing
14:37:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack matatk
14:37:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:37:13 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- WKD Github actions and PRs -- taken up [from janina]
14:37:22 <matatk> q+
14:37:59 <janina> ack ma
14:38:09 <janina> matatk: Have read most ... very exciting
14:38:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I read the materials
14:38:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... thanks to Abhinav for the overview
14:38:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... there is room for Adapt to define semantics and types of links
14:39:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Linksets supports a rich language for stating, here are links from a particular page
14:39:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... e.g., we could state 'here is the accessibility statement for this page'
14:39:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... e.g., we could state 'here is the relevant help and support for this page'
14:40:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the significant challenge I see is a "one to many" issue
14:40:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... there is no wild card for assigning these mappings
14:40:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Given that I could not find this, it seems a site would have to assign a linkset for every single page
14:40:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... There is a standard for URL wildcards
14:41:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... so logically, these should be able to be combined
14:41:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Abhinav: To restate, if a given destination e.g., home, is common to many pages
14:41:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... how do we assign this common 'home' page to every single page
14:43:02 <matatk> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9264.html#name-link-target-object
14:45:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: We could ask Phil these questions
14:45:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1
14:45:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: If Phil says no, perhaps we will consider modifying linksets to meet our needs
14:46:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:47:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:47:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:47:28 <matatk> Abhinav: So we could look into extending the RFC if we need to add that capability?
14:47:51 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Who's the standards body here?
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14:48:06 <matatk> matatk: IETF (same as well-known URIs)
14:48:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... We are talking about IETF and RFC 9264
14:49:56 <Abhinav> { "linkset":
14:49:56 <Abhinav>   [
14:49:56 <Abhinav>     { "anchor": "https://example.net/bar",
14:49:56 <Abhinav>       "next": [
14:49:57 <Abhinav>         {"href": "https://example.com/foo1"}
14:49:57 <Abhinav>       ]
14:49:57 <Abhinav>     },
14:49:58 <Abhinav>     { "anchor": "https://example.net/boo",
14:49:58 <Abhinav>       "https://example.com/relations/baz" : [
14:49:58 <Abhinav>         {"href": "https://example.com/foo2"}
14:49:59 <Abhinav>       ]
14:49:59 <Abhinav>     }
14:49:59 <Abhinav>   ]
14:50:00 <Abhinav> }
14:50:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> {
14:50:50 <Lionel_Wolberger>   "linkset": [
14:50:50 <Lionel_Wolberger>     {
14:50:50 <Lionel_Wolberger>       "anchor": "https://example.com/*",
14:50:51 <Lionel_Wolberger>       "href": "https://example.com/home",
14:50:51 <Lionel_Wolberger>       "rel": "home"
14:50:51 <Lionel_Wolberger>     }
14:50:52 <Lionel_Wolberger>   ]
14:50:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> }
14:51:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> Abhinav: I suspect this will not support wildcards
14:57:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
14:57:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Abhinav, matatk, Lionel_Wolberger, Russell
14:57:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/06-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
14:57:44 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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