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13:17:51 <kaz> meeting: WoT and NGSI-LD
13:26:39 <kaz> present+ Kaz
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13:31:31 <kaz> * Liaison contact from ETSI for the liaison table [a]
13:31:32 <kaz>   * Scope, etc., for the liaison description [b]
13:31:32 <kaz>   * Summer vacation and meeting schedule
13:31:32 <kaz>   * When/how to involve more WoT Members, e.g., spec Editors
13:31:32 <kaz> 
13:31:32 <kaz>   [a] https://www.w3.org/liaisons/#ETSI
13:31:34 <kaz>   [b] https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/liaisons/ngsi-ld.md
13:31:39 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:31:56 <kaz> present+ Martin
13:32:32 <kaz> present+ Sebastian
13:33:13 <kaz> present+ Koster
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13:36:01 <McCool> kaz: reviews agenda - liaison contacts and description, summer vacation and meeting schedule, other WoT members, workshop (Dave)
13:36:12 <McCool> kaz: also, Smart Cities IG
13:36:15 <kaz> i/reviews/scribeick: McCool/
13:36:39 <kaz> topic: Liaison contact
13:36:41 <McCool> topic: Liaison Table
13:36:55 <McCool> mm: I think this is probably informational at this point
13:37:07 <McCool> kaz: (reviews information)
13:37:21 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/liaisons/ W3C Liaison table
13:37:30 <McCool> kaz: we do need a contact on the NGSI-LD side
13:38:12 <McCool> kaz: this is all under the ETSI liaison, but there are several groups involved
13:38:59 <McCool> martin: probably should be...
13:39:16 <McCool> martin: Franck Le Gall and Patrick Guillemin
13:39:39 <McCool> mm: suggest we pencil them in for now and confirm by email
13:39:47 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Group/group-wot-ngsi-ld/ email archive
13:40:35 <McCool> kaz: also, if everyone can get a W3C account, we can add you to a mailing list.
13:41:08 <McCool> kaz: no fee or obligations, just to set up contact information
13:41:49 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/account/
13:43:09 <McCool> kaz: next is scope document
13:43:16 <kaz> topic: Scope
13:43:27 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/liaisons/ngsi-ld.md scope document
13:43:44 <McCool> mm: suggest we send around an email for comment, and consider it done if no-one comments in a week or two
13:46:47 <McCool> martin: the list of deliverables is a bit too concrete
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13:47:03 <McCool> mm: agree, the simple liaison is just to discuss WHAT to do...
13:47:41 <McCool> ... at the very least, we should add a disclaimer to this section saying "The following have been discussed but have not been formally agreed to."
13:48:13 <McCool> martin: I think disclaimer is good enough.
13:50:20 <kaz> kaz: regarding the "Scope", we can start with simple text saying "We'd like to work together to identify the gaps between WoT Thing Description and NGSI-LD". Regarding the Deliverables, after the disclaimer, we can clarify both the documents are expected to be published by each side separately.
13:50:29 <kaz> i/regarding the/scribenick: kaz/
13:50:46 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
13:51:38 <McCool> mm: also we need to clarify who does what, e.g. the binding doc could also be published by ETSI
13:52:08 <McCool> kaz: (adds disclaimer to start of Deliverables section)
13:52:40 <McCool> topic: Schedule
13:53:29 <kaz> mm: vacation season has already started
13:53:56 <kaz> mb: last week of August can be OK but other weeks from August wouldn't
13:54:10 <kaz> mm: also we'll have TPAC in September
13:54:29 <kaz> ... 23-27 Sep
13:54:54 <kaz> ... we can meet on Oct 7 after TPAC
13:55:42 <kaz> s/on Oct/during the week of Oct/
13:56:15 <kaz> mb: our meeting will be 8-10 Oct
13:57:01 <kaz> mm: week of Sep 9
13:57:13 <kaz> ... then Oct 14-18
13:57:16 <kaz> s/9/9-13/
13:57:21 <kaz> ... then every two weeks
13:57:48 <kaz> s/week of/what about the following: week of/
13:58:04 <kaz> ... Friday is fine by me but awkward for Japan
13:58:12 <kaz> ... we can hold a Doodle poll again
13:58:28 <kaz> mb: Doodle poll would be better since we can't make decision now
13:58:43 <kaz> mm: let's list the candidates above
13:58:51 <kaz> ... with several possible time slots
13:59:10 <kaz> ... we'll talk about that during the next WoT Chairs call on Monday
13:59:24 <kaz> mb: maybe you can make some suggestions
13:59:54 <kaz> mm: let's assemble people's availability using Doodle
14:00:13 <kaz> ... we have know conflicts already
14:00:37 <kaz> mb: morning European time would not be good for us
14:01:10 <kaz> mm: maybe there could several possible candidates
14:01:52 <kaz> kaz: we can get information about availability/conflicts also on the email list
14:02:03 <kaz> mm: let's have preliminary discussion on the WoT side Monday
14:02:08 <kaz> s/Monday/on Monday/
14:02:19 <kaz> topic: Who/when to invite people
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14:02:35 <kaz> mm: Editors of the WoT Thing Description and WoT Binding Templates
14:02:51 <kaz> ... a couple of more people should be invited for that purpose
14:03:12 <kaz> ... do you want to open up to many people?
14:03:17 <kaz> ... or limited people?
14:03:31 <kaz> mb: including interested people would be OK
14:03:43 <kaz> mm: we can limit it to WoT WG participants
14:04:01 <kaz> ... have to join the WoT WG or WoT IG to join the meeting
14:04:31 <kaz> kaz: right
14:04:44 <kaz> ... both WoT WG guys and WoT IG guys should be invited
14:04:50 <kaz> mb: what's the difference?
14:05:07 <kaz> mm: IG is Interest Group working on preliminary discussions
14:05:16 <kaz> ... while WG is working on standards
14:05:28 <kaz> ... easier to publish an IG Note first
14:05:37 <kaz> ... then specific WG Note possibly
14:06:08 <kaz> kaz: we can think about the detail later
14:06:22 <kaz> ... but starting with IG Notes sounds reasonable
14:07:03 <kaz> mm: Notes are relatively easier to be published
14:08:12 <kaz> ... once we've fixed the time slot, we can invite people
14:08:33 <kaz> ... we can use ordinary W3C Calendar to let people know about the schedule
14:08:53 <kaz> topic: Smart Cities
14:09:15 <McCool> kaz: mentioned during previous calls - Smart Cities IG has been chartered now
14:09:21 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/06/smart-cities/ Web-based Digital Twins for Smart Cities Interest Group Charter
14:09:25 <McCool> ... official announcement today or Monday
14:09:48 <McCool> ... mission is identifying use cases and requirements for Smart Cities in general, but also a focus on Digital Twins
14:10:17 <McCool> ... also includes intention to align with internal groups like WoT but external groups like FiWare
14:10:32 <McCool> ... want to discuss what should be standardized, identify gaps, etc.
14:10:42 <McCool> ... Michael Koster is one of the chairs of this group
14:10:51 <kaz> i/mentioned/scribenick: McCool/
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14:11:08 <draggett> present+
14:11:55 <McCool> ... also groups beside WoT that would be good to coordinate with, e.g. SDW (Spatial Data on the Web)
14:12:33 <draggett> AIOTI Semantic Interoperability Workshop
14:12:36 <draggett> AIOTI: https://aioti.eu Alliance for IoT and Edge Computing Innovation
14:12:47 <kaz> s/AIOTI/topic: AIOTI/
14:13:07 <kaz> s/topic: AIOTI:/AIOTI:/
14:13:16 <kaz> s/AIOTI Se/topic: AIOTI Se/
14:13:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:13:41 <McCool> dr: this group hosts a combination of activities related to what we have been talking about
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14:13:47 <McCool> ... also includes edge computing
14:13:58 <McCool> ... Martin and I are both involved
14:14:30 <McCool> ... what we would like to discuss is translating recommended practices from research into practice, especially around semantics and IoT
14:14:44 <McCool> ... and also discuss research priorities
14:14:51 <McCool> ... still at an early stage
14:15:00 <McCool> ... not a W3C workshop as such
14:15:07 <McCool> ... looking at hosting at ERCIM
14:15:24 <McCool> ... INRIA campus
14:15:32 <kaz> q
14:15:35 <kaz> s/q//
14:15:37 <kaz> q?
14:15:51 <McCool> ... by November, hope to have a better idea
14:16:13 <McCool> dr: probably November, south of France (near Nice)
14:16:18 <draggett> INRIA campus, Sophia Antipolis
14:16:25 <sebastian> q+
14:16:43 <kaz> mm: in Nov, we'll have another event in Munich, WoT Week
14:17:01 <kaz> ... in sequence with JSON Week
14:17:12 <sebastian> I have a question to Dave: is there a relation to Margo? https://margo.org/
14:17:30 <kaz> dr: not sure about Margo...
14:17:36 <kaz> ack s
14:17:51 <kaz> sk: taking care of Edge computing
14:17:52 <McCool> mm: would be good to avoid a direct conflict with WoT Week (around Nov 27) - so the week directly before or after would be good
14:18:05 <McCool> ... WoT Week will be in Munich
14:18:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:18:28 <kaz> q+
14:18:54 <McCool> dr: see also https://aioti.eu
14:20:04 <kaz> ack k
14:20:07 <McCool> kaz: do you want someone from WoT join the workshop?
14:20:32 <kaz> s/do you/Dave, do you/
14:20:39 <McCool> mm: will you have a CFP and reviews?
14:21:16 <McCool> dr: not purely academic
14:21:27 <McCool> mm: is remote attendance possible?
14:22:48 <kaz> [adjourned]
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14:23:12 <draggett> more industry focussed than academic
14:24:21 <kaz> i/adjourned/(can be considered)/
14:24:45 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
14:24:51 <kaz> [adjourned]
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14:25:08 <kaz> s/topic: Liaison contact//
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14:35:49 <kaz> i|Liaison contact from ETSI|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Group/group-wot-ngsi-ld/2024Aug/0000.html Agenda for today|
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