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13:59:24 <maryjom> zakim, clear agenda
13:59:24 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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13:59:25 <Zakim> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:59:27 <maryjom> chair: Mary Jo Mueller
13:59:35 <maryjom> Zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
13:59:35 <Zakim> ok, maryjom
13:59:59 <maryjom> Agenda+ Announcements
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14:00:06 <maryjom> Agenda+ Issues Mitch opened (Issue 424, Issue 427, Issue 432, Issue 436, Issue 437)
14:00:08 <Chuck> agenda?
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14:00:17 <maryjom> Agenda+ Public comments (Issue 437)
14:00:22 <shadi> present+
14:00:25 <maryjom> Agenda+ Issues AG WG Opened (Issue 383, Issue 394)
14:00:29 <maryjom> present+
14:00:42 <maryjom> regrets: Fernanda Bonnin
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14:02:17 <ShawnT> present+
14:03:47 <ChrisLoiselle> scribe: ChrisLoiselle
14:03:48 <maryjom> present+
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14:03:50 <ChrisLoiselle> present+
14:03:54 <bruce_bailey> present+
14:03:55 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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14:04:13 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, take up next
14:04:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from maryjom]
14:04:45 <dmontalvo> present+ DDaniel
14:05:03 <bruce_bailey> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki/Work-for-the-week
14:05:21 <ChrisLoiselle> MaryJo: Open issue meeting will be held next week. Bruce to facilitate while Mary Jo is out.
14:06:05 <ChrisLoiselle> ... only out a week. I opened a survey and covers six issues.
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14:07:30 <ChrisLoiselle> August 6th survey close will help us collate answers and organize. Please respond today if you can. Especially question 6.
14:08:36 <ChrisLoiselle> ... links in Google doc may be broken, apologize if so.
14:08:37 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:08:51 <maryjom> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o6ruxbOKxAU6aWWz9Ac7P8DMi7lrIwXCy5DgvRzQZA4/edit?usp=sharing
14:08:55 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: We are working in Google doc for work on proposals.
14:10:01 <ChrisLoiselle> partial search on heading text in Google doc will help you find what issue we are cross referencing on survey.
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14:10:17 <maryjom> q?
14:10:42 <Devanshu> present+
14:10:59 <ChrisLoiselle> Bruce: If you scroll (use side bar) focus does move inside the doc.
14:11:09 <bruce_bailey> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki/Scribe-list-&-instructions#irc-commands-for-scribing
14:11:59 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: I will be there too , Bruce.
14:12:14 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: I'll email you the scribe commands I use.
14:12:43 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:12:52 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, take up next
14:12:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Issues Mitch opened (Issue 424, Issue 427, Issue 432, Issue 436, Issue 437) -- taken up [from maryjom]
14:13:21 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Thank you for taking this on Mitch!
14:13:23 <bruce_bailey> +1 on thanks to Mitch !
14:13:46 <Chuck> Yes we did express our support!
14:13:48 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: You are welcome.
14:14:01 <Chuck> Our support and appreciation.
14:14:05 <ChrisLoiselle> Many give +1's to Mitch for the amazing work!
14:14:22 <maryjom> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+-label%3A%22Project+task%22+-label%3A%22Ready+for+TF+Review%22+author%3Amitchellevan
14:14:32 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Open issues not under survey - here's the link for these items.
14:15:08 <maryjom> TOPIC: Issue 436 – The definition of ‘large scale’ needs substitutions or notes
14:15:22 <ChrisLoiselle> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/436
14:15:29 <maryjom> Link to issue: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/436
14:17:24 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Definition of large scale term. In evaluating non web, it is unclear how to measure text that is large scale. Mitch has a proposal.
14:18:30 <ChrisLoiselle> talks to user agent being used and browsers and content for non web not having user agents.
14:19:13 <ChrisLoiselle> how to interpret the PT. References math equivalents
14:19:31 <maryjom> q?
14:20:29 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Reads Jon's thread comment.
14:21:10 <mitch11> q+
14:21:45 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:21:54 <maryjom> ack mitch
14:22:46 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: Note 3 on screen share - I think we should mention body text but I don't think the reference works entirely.
14:23:11 <ChrisLoiselle> ... reflow and body text...what is body text? What is the size of it?
14:23:44 <ChrisLoiselle> ...body text across all application or all documents ? consistency on size needs to be determined.
14:23:45 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:24:12 <ChrisLoiselle> ...does wcag2ict have that terminology?
14:24:30 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: We don't do any word substitute on large text.
14:24:32 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:25:09 <ChrisLoiselle> WCAG large scale text is what we are referencing on screen. We reference large scale text in our document but don't substitute it.
14:25:19 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Do we really need a change?
14:26:02 <mitch11> q+
14:26:05 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:26:10 <maryjom> ack mitch
14:27:03 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: word substitute issue is on note 3, last sentence. "user agent" does. There is no "user agent" for non web. Perhaps "user agent" word substitute is the solution.
14:27:56 <ChrisLoiselle> User agent is used but not dependent on elsewhere but the "what you should do" is user agent and major browsers which wouldn't apply to non web.
14:28:22 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:28:38 <mitch11> q+
14:28:45 <maryjom> ack mitch
14:30:11 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: Note 4 talks to major browsers . Which font to assume to occur for users.  References what browsers should do , you should do. If software, it would be platform?
14:30:35 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:32:08 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Copies notes from term in WCAG22 in to the Google Doc for wordsmithing on large scale text and user agent and browser word replacement
14:35:11 <mitch11> q+
14:35:18 <maryjom> ack mitch
14:35:36 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo : Edits in Google Doc. Mitch also edits.
14:35:45 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: Adds edits as well.
14:37:42 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: display settings are platform settings, does any one agree or disagree?
14:38:55 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: We can describe in text.
14:39:09 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: I'm done on note 3 on proposal in Google Doc.
14:39:31 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:39:42 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: I think note 3 is ok in Google doc.
14:40:09 <mitch11> q+
14:40:17 <ChrisLoiselle> Note 4 talks to major browsers. I think it would be platform software
14:40:18 <maryjom> ack mitch
14:40:19 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:40:43 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: Platform software.
14:40:48 <ChrisLoiselle> ...then for user agents, documents.
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14:41:24 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:42:04 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo and Mitch review Google Doc edits for word replacement.
14:42:58 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Do you agree Mitch?
14:43:07 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: Let us go with this for the proposal, yes.
14:43:33 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:44:15 <maryjom> POLL: Should we survey the changes to Notes 3 and 4 of the definition of 'large scale' as proposed in the Google doc?
14:44:25 <shadi> +1
14:44:29 <mitch11> +1
14:44:29 <bruce_bailey> +1
14:44:30 <Bryan_Trogdon> +1
14:44:33 <Sam> +1
14:44:34 <ChrisLoiselle> +1
14:44:34 <mitch11> q+
14:44:36 <ShawnT> +1
14:45:00 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: Notes 3 and 4 were covered.
14:45:14 <ChrisLoiselle> I didn't want to ignore any other phrasing concerns.
14:45:31 <ChrisLoiselle> ... point unit reference PT
14:46:27 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: References the large scale font wcag22 definition
14:47:03 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:47:08 <maryjom> ack mitch
14:47:59 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: proposal is to 1 point equal to the CSS pixels , however not clear on typography on native apps.
14:48:11 <ChrisLoiselle> @mitch hope I captured that correctly for you.
14:48:20 <Sam> q+
14:48:45 <ChrisLoiselle> Note 5 references pt but other notes mention point
14:48:46 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:48:53 <maryjom> ack Sam
14:49:43 <ChrisLoiselle> Sam: I think there is enough here. CSS conversion is there where it needs to be. In native apps, there is a default font usually.
14:50:09 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: The point size reference of pt may not be worth moving forward on. Do we agree?
14:50:29 <mitch11> q+
14:50:34 <maryjom> Poll: Do we need to provide any additional guidance or info on pt or point size?
14:50:40 <maryjom> ack mitch
14:50:40 <ChrisLoiselle> qq?
14:50:42 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:51:12 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: We may not change it, but polling both choices would be great for me so we can see whether or not it is worth doing.
14:51:35 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: I'd like to survey both if we can
14:51:52 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: We will survey both options on pt vs. point and CSS pixel reference
14:53:12 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Edits Google doc on large scale text discussion topic
14:53:47 <ChrisLoiselle> Then adds in option 1 leave as is. Option 2, Mitch to add his proposal.
14:55:01 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:55:30 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: The next one we wanted to meet on is parsing. There are two issues open on parsing.
14:56:15 <bruce_bailey> If next week we think we have 4.1.1 put to bed, that will be great!
14:56:20 <ChrisLoiselle> Do we need to add it to problematic on closed? Maybe you can discuss next week. If it needs to be there, what would it be.
14:56:57 <ChrisLoiselle> The other topic is the word substitution aspect of prior vs. current versions of wcag and use of parsing.
14:57:48 <bruce_bailey> If I am the only one who thinks something is better than nothing (for parsing wrt closed functionality), I won't object.
14:57:48 <ChrisLoiselle> ... Daniel has been working on wcag notes and wcag2ict notes that we've added.
14:57:51 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:58:33 <bruce_bailey> I had expected that I would have something in writing for folks to react to.
14:58:42 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: Nothing at moment to showcase, but we are working on issue on class replacement and another note class to determine what is done on current notes.
14:58:42 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:59:12 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: I could scrape per styled notes.
14:59:40 <bruce_bailey> s/have something in writing for folks to react to/have had something in writing for folks to react to by now
14:59:41 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Notes on wcag, notes we've edited, add notes and case where we replace a wcag note with wcag2ict version of note.
14:59:42 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
14:59:47 <ChrisLoiselle> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:59:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/25-wcag2ict-minutes.html ChrisLoiselle
14:59:56 <mitch11> q+
15:00:10 <maryjom> ack mitch
15:00:28 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: I think the wcag2ict add notes would be great to use as "added".
15:01:31 <ChrisLoiselle> Need to drop , sorry!
15:01:44 <ChrisLoiselle> minutes are created.
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15:02:59 <bruce_bailey> q-
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17:44:10 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
17:44:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/25-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
17:44:29 <maryjom> zakim, end meeting
17:44:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shadi, maryjom, ShawnT, ChrisLoiselle, bruce_bailey, Sam, DDaniel, Bryan_Trogdon, Devanshu
17:44:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
17:44:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/25-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
17:44:37 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, maryjom; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:44:51 <maryjom> rrsagent, bye
17:44:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items