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12:36:30 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:36:56 <jasonjgw> meeting: RQTF meeting
12:37:02 <jasonjgw> present+
12:37:07 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:37:20 <jasonjgw> agenda+ XR accessibility and standardization.
12:37:20 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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12:55:28 <janina> agenda?
12:55:41 <janina> present+
12:58:51 <janina> scribe+
12:59:07 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
12:59:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/24-rqtf-minutes.html janina
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13:06:04 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:06:04 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- XR accessibility and standardization. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:06:13 <m-alkalbani> present+
13:07:13 <janina> jasonjgw: Invites introductions ...
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13:12:27 <MichaelC> MSF = Metaverse Standards Forum
13:13:04 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:13:04 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, janina, m-alkalbani
13:13:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dylan, m-alkalbani, MichaelC, matatk, janina, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, Roy_, gb, Rachael, alastairc
13:13:38 <janina> present+ Scott
13:13:45 <matatk> present+
13:13:47 <janina> present+ Raja
13:14:01 <MichaelC> present+
13:15:12 <janina> Dylan: Intro notes XR for all work at Cornell Tech
13:15:41 <janina> Dylan: XAUR good start ...
13:16:34 <MichaelC> q+
13:16:36 <janina> Dylan: Aiming for a WCAG equivalent for XR in MSF
13:18:30 <janina> jasonjgw: Suggests status overview of MSF work
13:18:39 <MichaelC> q-
13:18:48 <janina> jasonjgw: With focus on how we might coordinate activities
13:19:06 <MichaelC> q+ to clarify MSF role re W3C
13:19:44 <janina> Dylan: Two major activities: WG Charter with scope, milestones; Also comparative review looking for gaps
13:20:03 <janina> ack mi
13:20:03 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to clarify MSF role re W3C
13:20:34 <janina> MichaelC: Notes MSF does not create standards; rather explores what standards might be helpful
13:20:54 <janina> MichaelC: Notes similar work to RQTF
13:20:59 <Dylan> Working group charter (WIP): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zpA6jA74j1rJuowUSs1L4EfOEGRAo5UO_8fQo79H7ZY/edit?usp=sharing
13:21:07 <Dylan> Miro board: https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVKXgTTtQ=/
13:22:16 <janina> Dylan: Purpose is vantage that can suggest to relevant standards organization, W3C, IETF, etc
13:23:27 <janina> Dylan: Role to generate insights for fully inclusive XR
13:23:45 <janina> Dylan: Will not dev specific solutions
13:24:11 <janina> Dylan: Collecting current guidance, best practices, etc
13:24:17 <janina> Dylan: exploring emergent needs
13:24:35 <janina> Dylan: Collect and learn from pwd use
13:24:41 <janina> Dylan: document comprehensive use cases
13:24:47 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
13:24:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/24-rqtf-minutes.html janina
13:25:16 <janina> Dylan: Looking to identify gaps of what isn't currently covered
13:25:38 <janina> Dylan: features for interoperability, for UI ...
13:25:48 <janina> Dylan: also for generative AI
13:26:03 <janina> Dylan: esp low vision AI
13:26:24 <janina> Dylan: hope to work with platforms to see through to implementation
13:26:37 <janina> Dylan: Still finalizing com plans
13:26:46 <MichaelC> the milestone is characteristically ambitious :)
13:26:47 <janina> s/com/communications/
13:27:05 <janina> q?
13:27:09 <matatk> q+
13:27:18 <janina> ack ma
13:28:03 <janina> matatk: notes W3C work on generative AI, looking for link ...
13:28:09 <janina> q+
13:28:16 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/reports/ai-web-impact/
13:28:26 <janina> q-
13:28:40 <janina> https://github.io/w3c/ai-accessibility
13:29:06 <matatk> ack me
13:29:59 <janina> jasonjgw: Invites further specifics from MSF ...
13:30:33 <janina> Dylan: Have reviewed current specs and bp; iso user needs, wcag, xaur, etc
13:31:25 <janina> Dylan: Each current doc useful ...
13:32:24 <janina> Dylan: MSF has begun use cases, also inclusive avatars
13:32:39 <janina> Dylan: Research and brain storming phase
13:33:12 <janina> Dylan: Hope to focus on what needs to work, not how to achieve it
13:33:22 <matatk> s/xaur,/XAUR, AbleGamers APX, Game Accessibility Guidelines, Schell Accessibility Matrix, XRA Developer Guide Ch3, XBox Accessibility Guidelines, Meta VRCs,/
13:34:01 <janina> jasonjgw: Expresses open to joint work where appropriate
13:34:04 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
13:34:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/24-rqtf-minutes.html matatk
13:35:14 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes APA is useful to communicate across W3C re a11y
13:35:43 <matatk> q?
13:35:49 <janina> jasonjgw: Interested in noting possible early collab points
13:35:50 <janina> q?
13:35:53 <Dylan> q+
13:36:39 <janina> MichaelC: Reinforces APA for coordination
13:36:52 <janina> Dylan: Asks about uprev of XAUR; what's the best way to update?
13:37:12 <janina> jasonjgw: No current effort
13:37:17 <MichaelC> q+
13:37:18 <janina> q+ re update
13:37:22 <janina> ack dy
13:37:23 <MichaelC> q- later
13:38:20 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes XAUR scope has been narrower than what might be wanted now
13:40:07 <janina> Dylan: notes jgw pointed scope of xaur; so should update or create new doc?
13:41:07 <matatk> scribe+
13:41:37 <matatk> janina: Speaking about if we'd take up updating the XAUR, I see no reason not to - though I appreciate the scoping discussion would factor into this. We would have to look at our program of work.
13:42:11 <matatk> janina: When we talk about normative standards, we are talking about documents that feature RFC 2119 terminology (MUST, SHOULD, MAY). They may also contain more informative parts too.
13:42:40 <matatk> janina: The XAUR is not a normative document. APA WG can create such a document (we have before). ARIA started within APA's predecessor WG.
13:43:38 <matatk> janina: As well as normative standards, we have 'Note' track documents that tend to be about best practice etc. XAUR fits into that group. We would need to talk about whether/when we may be at the right time to make a normative document, and could publish one later.
13:44:07 <matatk> janina: However, don't want to get in the way of someone working on this. We could happily review, and provide feedback.
13:44:12 <janina> ack ja
13:44:12 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to discuss update
13:44:19 <janina> ack mi
13:44:43 <janina> MichaelC: Notes W3C will accept documents handed over from other orgs; that's expected
13:45:32 <janina> MichaelC: Expects MSF outputs could inform multiple pubs from W3C; WCAG, Immersive Web, XAUR, etc
13:46:12 <janina> MichaelC: Also multiple ways to organize the work
13:47:19 <Dylan> q+
13:47:33 <janina> jasonjgw: Speculates that input to WCAG3 might be more helpful than an independent guidelines doc
13:47:55 <MichaelC> q+
13:48:00 <janina> jasonjgw: So it's a strategic question of what to work on and where
13:48:05 <MichaelC> q+ to mention scope of first charter
13:48:16 <janina> ack dy
13:48:38 <janina> Dylan: long term is indeed WCAG type; esp with regulatory impact
13:49:40 <janina> Dylan: Notes that current practice to create web page or PowerPoint with same content is not equivalent; separate but equal isn't equal
13:50:08 <janina> MichaelC: Notes MSF has 2-year charter policy
13:50:30 <janina> MichaelC: Current proposed charter does not reach proposing guidelines yet
13:50:41 <janina> q?
13:50:45 <janina> ack mi
13:50:45 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention scope of first charter
13:51:19 <janina> jasonjgw: Summarizes ...
13:51:42 <janina> jasonjgw: Asks about collab work; when? thoughts?
13:51:44 <Dylan> q+
13:52:19 <MichaelC> q+ to mention reports, liaison
13:52:30 <janina> Dylan: Would appreciate a rapid feedback cycle; notes deep experience in RQTF in this work
13:53:46 <janina> Dylan: Have big organizational questions that would benefit from RQTF experience; regular checkins?
13:53:52 <janina> q?
13:54:02 <janina> ack dy
13:54:04 <janina> ack mi
13:54:04 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention reports, liaison
13:54:22 <janina> MichaelC: MSF produces 3-month heartbeats
13:54:39 <janina> MichaelC: Suggests a regular checkin helpful; clearly also participation in MSF
13:55:08 <janina> jasonjgw: So is there an immediate step?
13:55:33 <janina> MichaelC: No immediate step; MSF should reach out when we get more org'd
13:55:51 <janina> Dylan: Sounds good
13:56:31 <Dylan> that was public-rqtf@w3.org correct?
13:57:27 <Dylan> MSF Accessibility: accessibility@lists.metaverse-standards.org
13:57:37 <janina> [discussion of email for continued conversation]
13:59:41 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
13:59:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, m-alkalbani, Scott, matatk, Raja, MichaelC
13:59:43 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:59:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/24-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
13:59:52 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:01:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items