IRC log of i18n on 2024-06-20

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13:46:46 [addison]

Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

13:46:56 [agendabot]

agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240620T150000/

13:46:56 [agendabot]

clear agenda

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agenda+ Agenda Review

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agenda+ Action Items

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agenda+ Info Share

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agenda+ RADAR Review

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agenda+ Pending Issue Review

13:47:02 [addison]

Chair: Addison Phillips

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agenda+ HTML Ruby Extensions review

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agenda+ I18N WG/IG recharter

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agenda+ WHATWG Meeting Prep

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agenda+ String-Meta Consumer Best Practices

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agenda+ AOB?

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present+

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present+ Fuqiao, Richard, JcK, Atsushi

14:02:53 [addison]

regrets+ Bert

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14:04:19 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 1

14:04:19 [Zakim]

agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:04:21 [addison]

agenda?

14:04:27 [atsushi]

present+

14:04:55 [atsushi]

[checking agenda items]

14:05:06 [xfq]

scribe+ atsushi

14:05:08 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 2

14:05:08 [Zakim]

agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:05:10 [r12a]

agenda+ Publishing Urdu gap analysis doc

14:05:14 [xfq]

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14:05:21 [addison]

#106

14:05:21 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/106 -> Action 106 write to ietf group about rfc9457 (on aphillips) due 2024-06-20

14:05:42 [atsushi]

addison: got responce from area director, will reply shortly

14:05:44 [addison]

#104

14:05:44 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/104 -> Action 104 follow up on action#4 by writing an email (on aphillips) due 2024-06-13

14:06:55 [addison]

#105

14:06:55 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/105 -> Action 105 Review https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers (on r12a) due 2024-06-13

14:07:34 [addison]

#103

14:07:34 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103 -> Action 103 Migrate RADAR project (on aphillips)

14:07:54 [atsushi]

addison: you may noticed, new one is generated

14:08:05 [atsushi]

... URL has been changed

14:08:42 [atsushi]

addison: old URL redirected or sticked?

14:08:48 [atsushi]

addison: seems sticked to old

14:09:07 [atsushi]

xfq: old and new are both existing, different URLs

14:09:57 [addison]

close #103

14:09:58 [gb]

Closed -> issue #103 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103

14:10:05 [addison]

#102

14:10:05 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102 -> Action 102 ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620 (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30

14:10:29 [addison]

i18n-activity#1620

14:10:30 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620 -> Issue 1620 [focusgroup] i18n: should arrow key navigation follow text direction? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [s:open-ui] [cg:open-ui]

14:10:58 [addison]

close #102

14:11:00 [gb]

Closed -> issue #102 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102

14:11:01 [addison]

#101

14:11:02 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101 -> Action 101 research what if anything to do with dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments (on xfq) due 2024-05-30

14:11:42 [atsushi]

xfq: guess, bring this as a topic in community group

14:12:14 [atsushi]

... no one is editing nor understand this document within W3C community

14:12:18 [atsushi]

... need to figure out that point

14:12:37 [r12a]

q+

14:12:49 [atsushi]

... could i18n take

14:12:55 [addison]

ack next

14:13:03 [atsushi]

addison: except one point, could be taken

14:13:39 [atsushi]

r12a: lreq document targets not only web pages but ones like epub

14:15:01 [atsushi]

addison: many of lreqs are script basis

14:15:38 [atsushi]

xfq: no document for European language in latain?

14:16:23 [xfq]

https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-latinreq/

14:16:54 [xfq]

s/no document /no orthography notes /

14:16:55 [atsushi]

xfq: dpub latain is in WD above

14:17:07 [atsushi]

addison: we could ask them to link to ours lreq

14:17:34 [addison]

action; addison: reply to pub folk about updating dpub-latinreq to point to our (new) document

14:17:45 [addison]

close #101

14:17:47 [gb]

Closed -> issue #101 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101

14:17:49 [xfq]

s/latain/Latin/

14:18:19 [addison]

action: addison: reply to pub folk about updating dpub-latinreq to point to our (new) document

14:18:26 [gb]

Created -> action #109 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/109

14:18:47 [addison]

action: r12a: create new latin lreq document to host dpig contents

14:18:48 [gb]

Created -> action #110 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/110

14:18:56 [addison]

#98

14:18:57 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 -> Action 98 fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23

14:19:07 [addison]

close #98

14:19:08 [gb]

Closed -> issue #98 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98

14:19:09 [atsushi]

r12a: published

14:19:11 [addison]

#96

14:19:11 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96 -> Action 96 evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02

14:19:31 [atsushi]

addison: sent PR but not yet merged

14:19:34 [addison]

close #96

14:19:36 [gb]

Closed -> issue #96 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96

14:20:30 [atsushi]

addison: usually we wrote paragraph in one line, but was hard to comment on github

14:21:00 [atsushi]

... style change

14:21:14 [atsushi]

r12a: could be turned into ugly at later moment

14:21:15 [xfq]

CSS specs use https://sembr.org/

14:21:39 [atsushi]

addison: xfq pointed semantic breaks

14:22:11 [atsushi]

xfq: personally prefer soft wrap, but could work both

14:22:17 [atsushi]

addison: revisit little future

14:22:31 [addison]

#93

14:22:32 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25

14:22:46 [addison]

#90

14:22:46 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18

14:22:56 [addison]

#89

14:22:56 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18

14:23:14 [atsushi]

xfq: still blocked by respec

14:23:47 [addison]

#79

14:23:47 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

14:24:05 [addison]

#78

14:24:06 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

14:24:08 [atsushi]

addison: follow up call next week

14:24:17 [addison]

#33

14:24:17 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)

14:24:28 [addison]

#8

14:24:29 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

14:24:33 [addison]

#7

14:24:34 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

14:24:50 [addison]

#4

14:24:50 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023

14:24:58 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:24:58 [Zakim]

agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:25:08 [RRSAgent]

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14:25:27 [atsushi]

xfq: we also use github project for article, translation, gap-analysis pipelines

14:25:35 [atsushi]

... will migrate all into new one

14:26:39 [atsushi]

xfq: have updated links to article pipeline

14:26:49 [atsushi]

... will update remaining

14:28:26 [atsushi]

r12a: new character interface

14:28:30 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 4

14:28:30 [Zakim]

agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:28:37 [addison]

https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1

14:28:58 [atsushi]

addison: no new incoming request

14:29:14 [atsushi]

addison: agenda item for html-ruby extension

14:29:24 [atsushi]

addison: filed a issue for device-posture

14:30:03 [atsushi]

addison: manifest colleagues starts working on that, and call held

14:30:13 [atsushi]

... will help on language definition and direction

14:30:21 [addison]

agenda?

14:30:53 [addison]

i18n-activity#1872

14:30:53 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1872 -> Issue 1872 Proposal: Per-extension language preferences (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:webextensions] [cg:webextensions]

14:31:00 [addison]

i18n-activity#1871

14:31:01 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1871 -> Issue 1871 Align on properly formed language tags (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:webextensions] [cg:webextensions]

14:31:35 [atsushi]

xfq: they seem to have updates on these, will check

14:31:39 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 6

14:31:39 [Zakim]

agendum 6 -- HTML Ruby Extensions review -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:31:57 [addison]

i18n-activity#1869

14:31:58 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1869 -> Issue 1869 Various typos (by r12a) [pending] [non-I18N] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]

14:32:22 [atsushi]

r12a: this one already fixed

14:32:27 [addison]

i18n-activity#1868

14:32:27 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1868 -> Issue 1868 Are line breaks in examples ok? (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]

14:33:19 [atsushi]

r12a: we have changed examples to include line breaks

14:33:34 [atsushi]

addison: there were discussion on CSS feature

14:34:42 [atsushi]

xfq: most does not contain, but some, yes.

14:35:02 [atsushi]

addison: any objections

14:35:02 [addison]

i18n-activity#1867

14:35:03 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1867 -> Issue 1867 Mention that ruby is not just for educational use (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]

14:36:04 [addison]

i18n-activity#1866

14:36:05 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1866 -> Issue 1866 Need to explicitly mention the default placement of ruby with 2 sets of annotations (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]

14:37:39 [atsushi]

r12a: double sided ruby, what happens when CSS is applied

14:38:54 [addison]

i18n-activity#1865

14:38:54 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1865 -> Issue 1865 Describe cases where jukugo ruby is not like group ruby (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]

14:39:46 [atsushi]

r12a: jlreq sometimes tell jukugo is difficult

14:41:13 [atsushi]

... wanted to leave enough space for examples

14:42:27 [atsushi]

[questions on example 8]

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14:48:14 [xfq]

[Discussions on the line breaking behaviour of jukugo ruby]

14:55:55 [atsushi]

r12a: would want to remove examples with changing font size, esp. third image

14:57:10 [xfq]

s/third image/Figure 3 Ruby sized at 60%/

14:57:29 [atsushi]

r12a: will write some text into this pending issue on this point

14:57:43 [addison]

i18n-activity#1864

14:57:44 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1864 -> Issue 1864 Bopomofo ruby on the right in horizontal text is the norm, not just frequent (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]

14:58:14 [atsushi]

addison: wording change for bopomofo position

14:58:24 [addison]

i18n-activity#1863

14:58:24 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1863 -> Issue 1863 Add rb>rt>rb>rt example code to Example 1 (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]

14:59:16 [atsushi]

r12a: it's for markup model, on rt and rb

14:59:41 [atsushi]

... rb/rt/rb/rt model is effective

14:59:49 [atsushi]

... and all three model should be shown here

15:01:27 [addison]

agenda?

15:01:48 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 11

15:01:49 [Zakim]

agendum 11 -- Publishing Urdu gap analysis doc -- taken up [from r12a]

15:02:09 [atsushi]

r12a: urdu gap-analysis published

15:02:12 [atsushi]

s/published/publishing/

15:02:29 [addison]

proposed: approve urdu gap analysis as FPWD group note

15:02:36 [atsushi]

+1

15:02:40 [addison]

+1

15:02:42 [xfq]

<xfq> +1

15:02:45 [r12a]

+1

15:03:08 [addison]

RESOLVED: publish urdu gap-analysis as FPWD

15:03:18 [r12a]

https://www.w3.org/International/alreq/gap-analysis/arab-ur-gap

15:03:23 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 10

15:03:23 [Zakim]

agendum 10 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]

15:03:31 [atsushi]

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s/[silent/[silent]/

15:03:47 [xfq]

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