13:46:10 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 13:46:14 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-i18n-irc 13:47:13 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 13:47:18 Chair: Addison Phillips 13:47:26 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240613T150000/ 13:47:26 clear agenda 13:47:26 agenda+ Agenda Review 13:47:26 agenda+ Action Items 13:47:29 agenda+ Info Share 13:47:31 agenda+ RADAR Review 13:47:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-i18n-minutes.html addison 13:47:34 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 13:47:36 agenda+ String-Meta Consumer guidance PR 13:47:38 agenda+ AOB? 13:47:45 agenda+ I18N WG/IG recharter 13:58:46 present+ Addison 14:01:08 JcK has joined #i18n 14:01:43 present+ Richard 14:02:34 present+ JcK, Fuqiao 14:03:14 regrets+ Bert 14:03:41 scribe+ 14:03:48 rrsagent, make log public 14:03:50 rrsagent, make minutes 14:03:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:04:27 zakim, take up agendum 1 14:04:27 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:04:30 agenda? 14:04:51 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:04:51 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:04:54 addison: is there anything else we need to add to the agenda? 14:05:01 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues 14:05:11 #105 14:05:11 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/105 -> Action 105 Review https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers (on r12a) due 2024-06-13 14:05:38 #104 14:05:39 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/104 -> Action 104 follow up on action#4 by writing an email (on aphillips) due 2024-06-13 14:05:43 #4 14:05:44 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 14:05:56 #103 14:05:57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103 -> Action 103 Migrate RADAR project (on aphillips) 14:06:43 addison: #103, it's a little more complicated since I clicked on the first step 14:06:56 #102 14:06:56 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102 -> Action 102 ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620 (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30 14:07:03 ... if I run into anything, I may ping you 14:07:14 i18n-activity#1620 14:07:15 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620 -> Issue 1620 [focusgroup] i18n: should arrow key navigation follow text direction? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [s:open-ui] [cg:open-ui] 14:08:35 addison: #102, I did send emails to those lists and I don't think anybody's responded 14:08:44 ... anybody gonna look or should I nudge again? 14:09:03 xfq: we can raise github issues 14:09:13 r12a: they're not terribly active at the moment 14:09:17 atsushi has joined #i18n 14:09:42 ... Najib often comments on things but the hlreq folks haven't been active for a while now 14:09:52 #101 14:09:52 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101 -> Action 101 research what if anything to do with dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments (on xfq) due 2024-05-30 14:10:04 #99 14:10:05 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99 -> Action 99 ping unicode about emphasis skip property (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28 14:10:17 xfq: #101, still pending 14:10:31 addison: #99, done 14:10:51 ... will bring it up with CSS in the upcoming call with them 14:11:01 #9 14:11:02 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/9 -> CLOSED Action 9 Follow up with ecma-402 on next steps and start tc39 discussion (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:11:11 #98 14:11:11 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 -> Action 98 fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23 14:11:14 #96 14:11:15 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96 -> Action 96 evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02 14:11:31 #93 14:11:34 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25 14:11:51 #90 14:11:56 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18 14:11:57 #89 14:11:58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18 14:12:45 #87 14:12:46 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04 14:13:30 addison: #87, done 14:13:56 close #87 14:13:57 Closed -> issue #87 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 14:14:04 action: addison: write to ietf group about rfc9457 14:14:11 Created -> action #106 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/106 14:14:11 close #87 14:14:12 Closed -> issue #87 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 14:14:26 #79 14:14:26 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:14:50 #78 14:14:50 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:14:57 #33 14:14:57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 14:15:14 #8 14:15:15 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:15:19 #7 14:15:19 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 14:15:34 #4 14:15:34 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 14:16:01 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:16:01 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:17:41 https://www.unicode.org/events/ 14:17:58 https://us06web.zoom.us/webinar/register/7317157843728/WN_wtqmIMS-ScasVMSqMCUYOw#/registration 14:18:02 r12a: Bidirectional Text (Part 1): The Basics of Bidi 14:18:09 ... register here ^ 14:18:41 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:18:41 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:19:05 r12a: we have 3 documents for publication 14:19:29 ... Kashmiri, Uighur, and Urdu 14:19:35 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 14:19:46 ... will be published on Tuesday 14:20:28 xfq: haven't done HTML Ruby Markup Extensions 14:20:48 addison: Device Posture API is mine 14:20:53 ... I have one minor comment 14:21:01 ... we will review it in a minute 14:21:06 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:21:06 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:21:17 atsushi: I have an issue on Controllers Documents 14:21:19 i18n-activity#1860 14:21:19 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1860 -> Issue 1860 type should be defined as identical to but not contain (by himorin) [pending] [wg:vc] [s:controller-document] 14:21:54 atsushi: I believe they want to match strings values in a JSON format 14:22:08 ... but they do not refer to the string comparison def in Infra 14:22:34 https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#string-is 14:23:17 atsushi: I suppose they mean 'identical to' 14:23:28 addison: that doesn't seem like an i18n comment 14:23:41 ... I'll tag that as non-i18n and then you can pass that along 14:23:45 atsushi: OK 14:23:57 i18n-activity#1859 14:23:58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1859 -> Issue 1859 Device posture and direction interaction (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [t:bidi_inline] [s:device-posture] 14:24:13 addison: I'll move controller-document to Completed 14:24:23 ... since we're not going to track that issue 14:24:24 Najib has joined #i18n 14:24:45 addison: my issue is #1859 14:24:46 Issue 1859 not found 14:24:55 ... it's on the device posture spec 14:25:10 ... device posture is whether a device is flat or folded 14:25:32 ... they have an explainer about how device posture interacts with some other things 14:25:42 ... so you can find out how the viewports are arranged 14:26:13 ... and one of the interesting things is whether directionality might affect how things are arranged 14:26:20 ... when you fold the device like a book 14:26:25 agenda? 14:26:27 ... anybody need more time? 14:26:33 zakim, take up agendum 8 14:26:34 agendum 8 -- I18N WG/IG recharter -- taken up [from addison] 14:26:34 ... I'll forword 14:26:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:26:56 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2024Jun/0003.html 14:29:31 xfq: Our WG and IG charter will expire at the end of September. I have prepared new charters for these two groups. They are mostly an extension of the current charters. 14:32:49 addison: need to rejoin the group after rechartering? 14:32:53 xfq: don't think so 14:32:58 ... the scope is not changed 14:33:09 zakim, take up agendum 6 14:33:09 agendum 6 -- String-Meta Consumer guidance PR -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:33:25 https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers 14:34:05 addison: does anybody have comments? 14:34:16 Topic: I18N+CSS prep 14:34:36 addison: we have a call with CSS on Tuesday 14:34:48 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AAgenda%2BI18N%2BCSS 14:35:11 ... in addition to the item we mentioned earlier we only have 3 things on our list 14:35:48 r12a: there's been some discussion around quote 14:35:52 ... the q element 14:35:53 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/969 14:35:53 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/969 -> Issue 969 [css-content] Quote character choice must depend on surrounding language, not language of the quotation (by w3cbot) [s:css-content] [i:quotations] [needs-resolution] [t:typ_misc] [wg:css] 14:35:58 ... and how to choose quote marks 14:36:08 ... maybe we should have some discussion on that 14:36:16 ... in this meeting 14:36:17 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5478 14:36:18 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5478 -> Issue 5478 [css-content] Quote character choice must depend on surrounding language, not language of the quotation (by r12a) [css-content-3] [Agenda+] [Closed Accepted by CSSWG Resolution] [i18n-needs-resolution] [Needs Edits] [Needs Testcase 14:36:18 … (WPT)] [Needs Naming (Request to Bikeshed)] [Agenda+ i18n] 14:36:27 ... the CSSWG has been discussing it as well 14:36:41 ... so perhaps we should put that on the agenda to keep the ball rolling 14:36:48 addison: OK 14:36:53 zakim, take up agendum 7 14:36:53 agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:36:55 ... I have added that 14:37:22 r12a: we could informatively introduce them to the changes we've been making to the lreq documents 14:37:27 addison: OK 14:37:32 ... I'll add that to the agenda as well 14:38:03 rrsagent, make minutes 14:38:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-i18n-minutes.html xfq 15:04:37 bigbluehat has joined #i18n 15:04:47 addison has joined #i18n 15:04:47 hsivonen has joined #i18n 15:06:11 addison has joined #i18n 15:06:11 hsivonen has joined #i18n 15:53:38 /quit 15:53:42 Najib has left #i18n