11:59:55 RRSAgent has joined #wot-profile 11:59:59 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/06/11-wot-profile-irc 12:00:05 meeting: WoT Profile 12:00:51 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Luca_Barbato 12:07:11 Tomo has joined #wot-profile 12:11:20 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:11:56 topic: Minutes 12:12:16 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/28-wot-profile-minutes.html May-28 12:12:24 lb: no concern 12:12:37 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/06/04-wot-profile-minutes.html June-4 12:12:43 lb: no problems 12:12:50 (both approved) 12:13:14 topic: Project management 12:13:40 subtopic: GitHub Team setting for Profile 12:13:58 lb: Ben should be included in the GitHub Editor's Team for WoT Profile 12:14:33 kaz: that's fine 12:14:46 subtopic: Editors on the spec 12:14:57 lb: need to update the Editors list on the spec 12:15:11 q+ 12:15:59 ... should contact former Editors and ask them about their participation 12:16:09 kaz: we should clarify the criteria 12:16:57 ... we can talk about that during the main call again 12:17:18 ... at least you should be listed as one of the Editors, though :) 12:17:22 lb: right :) 12:17:40 topic: Minor PRs 12:17:44 subtopic: PR 414 12:18:20 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/414 PR 414 - Explainer update 12:18:25 lb: this is an editorial change 12:18:43 ... if we can get one more support, this can be merged 12:18:50 q+ 12:18:52 mizu: ok 12:18:54 ack k 12:19:01 ack m 12:19:27 ack Tomo 12:19:31 lb: please give support on the GitHub PR 414 too 12:19:37 ... I can record that for you too 12:21:02 subtopic: PR 412 12:21:35 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/412 PR 412 - Refine Motivation section 12:21:40 lb: this is also editorial 12:22:27 q+ 12:22:29 q+ 12:22:34 Ege has joined #wot-profile 12:22:38 present+ Ege_Korkan 12:23:19 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-profile/412/b5cc4e7...benfrancis:5f32238.html#motivation diff - 1.1 Motivation 12:25:06 kaz: on the PR, Luca asked McCool for review 12:25:11 ... so we should ping him too 12:25:12 ack k 12:25:39 mizu: "Motivation" is important for the WoT Profile spec 12:26:08 ... we should clarify what to be described within the Profile spec 12:26:21 s/spec/spec first/ 12:26:51 ... it's hard for me to make decision at the moment without the clarification 12:26:54 I really like the changes in the PR 12:27:00 q+ 12:27:04 ack to 12:27:32 s/I really like the changes in the PR// 12:27:52 ... e.g., what kind of features to be standardized by the spec 12:28:05 q? 12:28:26 ek: one quick question 12:28:45 s/question/question for Mizushima-san/ 12:28:49 ... didn't get your point 12:29:14 q+ 12:29:18 q- 12:29:57 lb: there is already an Explainer document which describes what WoT Profile is like 12:30:21 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/main/explainer/Explainer.md Explainer.md 12:30:29 q? 12:30:34 qq+ 12:31:18 ack k 12:31:18 kaz, you wanted to react to Tomo 12:31:28 kaz: I think Mizushima-san's point is 12:31:54 ... he does understand the high-level need for Profile described by the Explainer 12:32:10 ... but still a bit concerned about the content of the Profile spec itself 12:32:14 ek: ok 12:32:36 ... I like the PR 412 itself 12:32:46 ... the content of PR 412 is good 12:33:18 ... on the other hand, I got a question about Profile in general 12:33:19 q+ 12:33:39 ack e 12:33:41 ack k 12:33:51 kaz: in that case, let's merge PR 412 itself 12:34:03 ... and then think about general questions about WoT Profile after that 12:34:06 lb: yeah 12:34:11 ... is that OK? 12:34:13 ek: ok 12:35:24 kaz: I think we can merge the PR 412 itself but should mention McCool is encouraged to let us know if any problems 12:35:29 lb: ok 12:36:17 q+ 12:36:43 subtopic: PR 414 - revisited 12:37:06 q+ 12:37:45 lb: can be merged 12:37:48 (merged) 12:39:25 kaz: just to make sure, we should ask Ege to confirm it's OK 12:39:34 s/OK/OK before merging :)/ 12:39:42 s/(merged)// 12:39:46 ek: looks good 12:39:57 q? 12:40:01 q- 12:40:39 lb: btw, would like to have a standardized reference for Webhook too 12:41:03 topic: General questions on WoT Profile 12:41:25 mizu: I don't think the current WoT Profile spec itself is wrong 12:41:41 ... but we should clarify what to be described by the spec even clearer 12:41:55 lb: we should make it sure everybody is on the same page 12:42:23 ... would start with "1.3 Out-of-the-Box Interoperability" 12:42:56 https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/#out-of-the-box-interoperability 12:42:56 ... this is one way to address Mizushima-san's concern 12:43:08 q? 12:43:09 ack t 12:43:20 q+ Ege 12:43:20 ack e 12:43:43 ek: what is the "out-of-the-box interoperability"? 12:44:04 lb: nicer and high level interoperability 12:45:11 ... low-level connection methods like Bluetooth and Wifi have that kind of mechanism 12:45:26 q+ 12:46:30 ... would like to ask Mizushima-san about which part of the document, specifically, this section "1.3 Out-of-the-Box Interoperability" is vague 12:46:53 ... can I ask you to work on that as an action item? 12:47:08 q+ 12:47:14 ack e 12:47:38 mizu: I think the section "1.3 Out-of-the-Box Interoperability" is important 12:48:02 ... but we should clarify the objective of the WoT Profile spec as a whole 12:48:19 ... and then we should clarify the section "1.3 Out-of-the-Box Interoperability" 12:48:48 lb: the section "1.1 Motivation" has been improved by Ben 12:49:08 ... so which part should be still updated/improved how? 12:49:08 q+ 12:49:11 ack t 12:50:07 mizu: we should describe what kind of features are to be described within the Motivation section too 12:50:29 ... list of features, e.g., HTTP, Webhooks and SSE 12:50:57 lb: we provide an Editor's Note 12:50:57 [[ 12:51:04 NOTE 12:51:04 Of the Profiles defined in this specification, only the HTTP Basic Profile is currently normative. It is planned that future versions of this specification will normatively define the HTTP SSE Profile and HTTP Webhook Profile, but in this version of the specification they are only informative. 12:51:05 ]] 12:52:02 lb: the Editor's Note can be changed in the future 12:52:25 q? 12:52:30 qq+ 12:53:24 ack k 12:53:24 kaz, you wanted to react to Tomo 12:54:05 kaz: I'm OK with the current content of "1.1 Motivation" and "1.3 Out-of-the-Box Interoperability" 12:54:48 ... but as I've been mentioning repeatedly, the bigger question from my viewpoint is the overlaps between WoT Profile and the other WoT specs 12:55:12 ... so would suggest we work on refactoring for WoT Profile too as we're working on refactoring for TD/Binding 12:55:24 lb: good question for the next meeting's agenda 12:56:25 ... refactoring we can do for the next version includes possible restructuring of the WoT Profile spec 12:56:54 ... e.g., making WoT Profile much simpler 12:58:07 q+ 12:59:39 kaz: regarding the WoT Profile structure for the current version and the possible next version, we need to continue the discussion during the main call. right? 12:59:42 ack k 12:59:56 lb: we can continue the discussion during the main call next week 13:00:35 ... don't want to make new comers confused with "out-of-box interoperability" 13:01:06 [kaz needs to move to the next call] 13:01:19 lb: let's continue the discussion next time 13:01:29 ek: can clarify my point too 13:01:49 [adjourned] 13:01:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:01:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/11-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:02:03 rrsagent, make log public 13:02:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/11-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz