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11:03:15 <kaz> meeting: WoT Scripting API
11:03:50 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi
11:06:33 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:07:32 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
11:09:12 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Scripting_API_WebConf#June_10%2C_2024
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11:09:50 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
11:09:57 <kaz> chair: Cristiano
11:11:28 <kaz> topic: Minutes
11:11:32 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/13-wot-script-minutes.html May-13
11:11:48 <kaz> q?
11:11:50 <kaz> q+
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11:12:23 <dape>  scribe: dape
11:12:27 <dape> TOPIC: Previous minutes
11:12:50 <dape> CA: Checked them look good
11:12:53 <dape>  ... minutes are approved
11:12:57 <dape> TOPIC: Update wiki info
11:13:06 <kaz> s/TOPIC: Previous minutes//
11:13:10 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:13:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:13:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:13:30 <dape> WebEx coordinates are outdated
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11:13:45 <dape> s/WebEx /CA: WebEx
11:13:51 <dape> CA: We use Zoom now
11:14:01 <dape> ... should update the entry
11:14:20 <dape> DP: Do other group have the same issue?
11:14:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:14:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:14:31 <dape> s/other group/other groups
11:14:43 <dape> CA: TD is updated
11:15:22 <dape> ... let's use the same entry as on TD wiki
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11:15:56 <kaz> s/entry/style/
11:16:06 <dape> TOPIC: PRs
11:16:15 <dape> SUBTOPIC:  Improve README
11:16:22 <cris> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/553
11:16:29 <kaz> q+
11:16:39 <dape> CA: I tried to improve readme
11:17:10 <kaz> ack k
11:17:35 <dape> Kaz: Side-node we need to improve wiki further. Section "Mondays .."
11:17:52 <dape> ... time should be updated.. or remove whole section
11:18:47 <kaz> i|Side|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Scripting_API_WebConf#Mondays_at_7am_US_Eastern_%2F_1pm_Europe_%2F_9pm_Japan "Mondays at 7am"...
11:19:12 <kaz> i/Side-note/topic: Scripting wiki issue - revisited/
11:19:13 <dape> q+
11:20:42 <dape> DP: Could just leave US Eastern time.. since all W3C entries are based on US Eastern
11:20:51 <dape> Kaz: Okay either way
11:20:58 <kaz> ack d
11:21:22 <kaz> s/either/with either/
11:21:48 <kaz> @@@ Kaz will move the above section later :)
11:22:01 <dape> CA: PR updates readme only
11:22:10 <dape> ... DP updated template
11:22:17 <dape> ... this is a follow-up
11:22:21 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/553|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/553 PR 553 Improve README|
11:22:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:22:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:22:41 <dape> CA: added a little explainer
11:23:07 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
11:23:30 <dape> CA: Jan proposed changes
11:23:36 <dape> ... okay with suggestion
11:23:59 <dape> JR: Apart from my suggestion it looks good
11:24:37 <dape> DP: Looks good now
11:25:00 <dape> CA: Okay,. let's merge PR 553
11:25:16 <dape> SUBTOPIC: use references from specref instead local bibliography
11:25:21 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/552
11:25:44 <dape> JR: Mostly editorial
11:25:53 <dape> ... we had manually defined references
11:26:13 <dape> ... replaced those provided by specref
11:26:24 <kaz> s|... https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/552|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/552 PR 552 - chore: use references from specref instead local bibliography|
11:26:32 <dape> ... PR points to latest REC version
11:26:41 <kaz> i/SUBTOPIC/(merged)/
11:26:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:26:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:26:52 <dape> ... binding to latest spec version
11:27:17 <dape> JR: Rendered diff shouldn't show changes
11:27:30 <kaz> s/PR 553 Imp/PR 553 - Imp/
11:27:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:27:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:28:08 <dape> CA: We point to REC version ... what about latest published version
11:28:29 <dape> JR: specref can also point to latest published version
11:29:01 <dape> CA: Until we don't use anything "new" we should point to REC version
11:29:06 <dape> DP: +1
11:29:14 <dape> q?
11:29:20 <kaz> i|Rendered diff|-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/552/23dc59e...JKRhb:877153c.html diff|
11:30:20 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/552/23dc59e...JKRhb:877153c.html#references E. References section from the diff
11:30:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:30:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:30:37 <cris> q?
11:30:38 <dape> CA: Once we use new features we need to keep that in mind
11:30:40 <dape> q?
11:30:57 <kaz> q+
11:31:09 <dape> CA: Okay, seems ready to be merged ..
11:31:35 <dape> Kaz: Do we want to make all the other spec editors follow this style?
11:32:03 <dape> ... maybe check with others in main call
11:32:49 <dape> ... we could send mail message to team-wot
11:32:58 <dape> CA: Will do...
11:33:08 <dape> ... merging PR 552
11:33:26 <dape> SUBTOPIC:  Add clarifications for discover method
11:33:33 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/551
11:33:35 <kaz> i/SUB/(merged)/
11:33:52 <dape> JR: related to discover method
11:34:12 <dape> ... discover can handle introduction and exploration phase
11:34:18 <kaz> s|... https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/551|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/551 PR 551 - Add clarifications for discover method|
11:34:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:34:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:34:31 <kaz> q?
11:34:31 <dape> ... I added URL parameter
11:34:31 <kaz> ack k
11:34:54 <dape> JR: Maybe we need another interfaces
11:35:20 <dape> ... and as DP mentioned we need to reflect it in TS definition
11:35:33 <dape> CA: related with issue 535
11:36:09 <dape> ... question is what do we want to hide w.r.t. introduction phase
11:36:43 <dape> ... what about preferences
11:36:58 <dape> ... e.g., just things from a given thing directory
11:37:07 <dape> ... where do we set the bar
11:37:40 <dape> ... URL provided means we should go with this directory
11:37:55 <dape> CA: URL can be added to ThingFilter also
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11:38:27 <kaz> i|related with|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/535 Issue 535 - Dedicated methods for DNS-SD, CoRE Link-Format discovery, and other approaches?|
11:39:02 <kaz> present+ Zoltan_Kis
11:39:04 <dape> ... do we have use-case for using own URL
11:39:09 <luca_barbato_> q+
11:39:43 <dape> LB: 2 scenarios
11:40:12 <dape> ... all the discovery the app wants to support are provided by operating system
11:40:25 <dape> ... system takes care
11:41:10 <dape> ... on the other hand ... situation that application/developer wants to specify
11:42:01 <dape> ... bare discovery is fine (based on operating system)  plus having interface with URL or so
11:43:19 <dape> ... e.g. just running query on a specific interface is apart
11:43:34 <cris> q+
11:43:39 <dape> ack luca_barbato_
11:44:48 <kaz> q+ zkis
11:44:51 <dape> ZK: Bigger context
11:45:06 <dape> ... multiple devices using Bluetooth and other means
11:45:24 <dape> ... servient provisioned
11:45:46 <dape> ... we need to support developer choices
11:46:00 <dape> ... e.g. choose mDNS if available
11:46:06 <dape> ... we could use filters
11:46:12 <dape> ... no filter -> any means
11:46:35 <dape> ... with filter -> application/developer can choose
11:46:57 <dape> ZK: multistage discovery is yet another question
11:47:24 <dape> q?
11:47:27 <kaz> q+
11:47:28 <dape> ack zk
11:47:48 <kaz> ack c
11:47:54 <dape> CA: I think we are aligned
11:48:22 <dape> ... we need some "magic" discovery ... without any configuration
11:48:44 <dape> ... we can try to be open to extension like Luca suggested
11:48:52 <dape> ... own discovery mechanism
11:49:03 <dape> ... how can we support that?
11:49:59 <dape> ... what if I want to use default .. but additionally tweak it a bit
11:50:26 <dape> ... how can I know which discovery mechanism is available
11:51:02 <dape> ... rename ThingFilter ... more like configuration
11:51:12 <dape> ZK: filter is not local only
11:51:20 <luca_barbato_> q+
11:51:36 <dape> CA: remote filter depends on options
11:52:12 <dape> ZK: filter is software construct
11:52:31 <dape> ... local filter and protocol filters should be in different method
11:53:30 <dape> ... API should be generic
11:53:54 <dape> ... suggest to collect use-cases
11:54:24 <dape> ... and check how we can solve them in Scripting API
11:54:37 <dape> q?
11:54:47 <dape> Kaz: Agree with Cristiano and Zoltan
11:55:03 <dape> ... specifically to thing discovery method
11:55:16 <dape> ... different methods and URLs
11:55:26 <dape> ... we need to get more use-cases
11:55:36 <dape> ack kaz
11:56:07 <dape> LB: first ground work ... what is the API and what are the boundaries
11:56:50 <kaz> s/more use-cases/more use cases to see which case requires what kind of method/
11:56:54 <dape> ... one part is actual discovery like mDNS
11:57:29 <dape> ... other part is interface that can be configured
11:57:55 <dape> ... "my" discovery process could be just querying a directory I know already
11:58:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:58:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:58:57 <dape> ... "my" filtering process could just be filtering things
11:59:21 <dape> q?
11:59:23 <dape> ack luca_barbato_
12:00:07 <dape> CA: All ideas are relevant
12:00:29 <dape> ... also like recursion of TD directory
12:00:42 <dape> ... I think we need developer experience
12:00:56 <dape> ... Jan worked on dart_wot
12:01:23 <dape> CA: w.r.t. to PR .. text improvement is fine ...
12:01:36 <dape> ... however, changing method should be postponed
12:01:42 <dape> JR: Okay, will split the PR
12:01:57 <dape> DP: +1
12:02:00 <JKRhb> +1
12:02:04 <dape> q+
12:02:50 <dape> TOPIC: Next meetings
12:02:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:02:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
12:03:02 <dape> DP: will be on vacation till end of June
12:03:19 <dape> CA: Please ping me in one way or the other so that we know
12:03:41 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:03:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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