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13:18:03 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2024-04-05: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2024Jun/0000.html
13:18:04 <ivan> Chair: wendy, tzviya
13:18:04 <ivan> Date: 2024-06-07
13:18:04 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2024Jun/0000.html
13:18:05 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group Telco
13:18:05 <ivan> Regrets+ shinya, brady, rickj
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14:02:24 <tzviya> regrets+ Brady, RickJ
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14:03:39 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/pm-wg/issues/5
14:03:43 <LaurentLM> present+ Laurent
14:04:06 <tzviya> q+ to discuss workshop
14:04:21 <ivan> present+ hadrien
14:04:35 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: TPAC is happening in September in California. What should we do there?
14:04:37 <wendyreid> ack tzviya
14:04:37 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to discuss workshop
14:04:46 <ivan> present+ toshiaki
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14:05:41 <gautierchomel> tzviya: workshop, for example on preparation we've been doing for EAA.
14:05:51 <Hadrien> present+
14:05:53 <wendyreid> ack CharlesL
14:05:57 <gautierchomel> tzviya: also we may want to improve group coordination.
14:06:39 <gautierchomel> CharlesL: related to EAA, ther's a new directive from D.O.G that may affect publishers.
14:07:01 <tzviya> q?
14:07:08 <wendyreid> s/D.O.G/DOJ/
14:07:09 <tzviya> q+ to ask who plans to be at tpac
14:07:13 <wendyreid> ack tzviya
14:07:13 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask who plans to be at tpac
14:07:30 <ivan> s/D.O.G/D.O.J/
14:07:38 <dhall> Planning to be at TPAC...
14:07:41 <LaurentLM> remote
14:07:43 <AvneeshSingh> It depends on agenda.
14:07:45 <ivan> planning to be there
14:07:59 <gautierchomel> tzviya: quick survey, looks like David, Charles, Wendy and I will be in person.
14:08:37 <dhall> q+
14:08:40 <wendyreid> ack dhall
14:08:42 <tzviya> s/and I will/and Ivan will
14:08:47 <LaurentLM> q+
14:09:13 <gautierchomel> dhall: if we have no consensus on webtoons / comics at that time, it may be an intersting topic.
14:09:33 <tzviya> ack LaurentLM
14:10:28 <ivan> q+
14:10:45 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:10:45 <gautierchomel> LaurentLM: another item I would like to put on the september agenda is shared anotations. We are implementing anotations in Thorium but wait for a consensus to add shareable exports. That's leverages the issue on locators.
14:11:51 <tzviya> q+ to annotate
14:11:55 <gautierchomel> ivan: because we'll be in california, we may invite hypothesis.
14:12:19 <Hadrien> q+
14:12:37 <gautierchomel> ivan: on adminiustrative side there as been a number of minor editions. Some will request merge.
14:12:37 <wendyreid> ack tzviya
14:12:37 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to annotate
14:13:49 <wendyreid> q+ to talk about changes to the annotations business case
14:14:40 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
14:14:41 <gautierchomel> tzviya: we can discuss locators and anotations, but maybe this is not so much about standard, instead it's about reading system business cases. Are they willing to implement something? As solutions exists, we should try to understand why they are few used.
14:16:38 <gautierchomel> Hadrien: regarding annotations, in the readium context we want to embed anotations in a package to share offline or without authentication. So less complex than needs of protocoles, etc. Readium is 80+ apps now.
14:18:08 <gautierchomel> Hadrien: I made a proposal related to comic / webtoons. I'll probably add context documentation. I know it's a difficult topic but it needs to be adressed.
14:18:10 <wendyreid> ack wendyreid
14:18:10 <Zakim> wendyreid, you wanted to talk about changes to the annotations business case
14:20:31 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: before retail reading and education reading contexts where opposed, but that changed in the last years. At Kobo we see reader driven energy on the topic of being capable of sharing anotations. It's also a topic for social medias. We've moved from the exclusively academic / scholar context.
14:20:42 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: it's time to have this disucssion again.
14:21:09 <Hadrien> q+
14:21:33 <CharlesL> q+
14:21:39 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
14:21:42 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: we have talked about TTS and Reader mode before (in the FxL Accessibility TF). It may be a good subject too.
14:22:49 <wendyreid> ack CharlesL
14:22:56 <gautierchomel> Hadrien: I worked on the topic of voice selection in the last months. There's a lot of work needing to be sliced. I'm happy to share that work now and in September.
14:23:11 <ivan> q+
14:23:27 <gautierchomel> CharlesL: with the explosion of AI, it becames a hot topic for publishers. Maybe we want to discuss that too.
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14:24:03 <gautierchomel> tzviya: It's interesting, but may not be part of our maintenance group charter.
14:24:04 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:24:23 <George> +present
14:24:40 <Hadrien> Voice selection:
14:24:40 <Hadrien> - Best practices for voice selection in reading apps: https://github.com/HadrienGardeur/read-aloud-best-practices/blob/main/voice-selection.md
14:24:40 <Hadrien> - Known-issues in browsers: https://github.com/users/HadrienGardeur/projects/2/views/1
14:24:40 <Hadrien> - Recommended voices on the Web: https://github.com/HadrienGardeur/web-speech-recommended-voices
14:24:42 <Hadrien> - Demo for recommended voices: https://hadriengardeur.github.io/web-speech-recommended-voices/demo/
14:25:25 <gpellegrino> q+
14:26:47 <wendyreid> ack gp
14:26:52 <gautierchomel> ivan: all security things are also to be considered, like simply signing a book digitally. It's related to AI, we may want to adress it. We are silent on it currently and may want to adress the topic.
14:27:32 <gautierchomel> gpellegrino: how about community group and business group, are they planning to meet at TPAC?
14:28:13 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: i don't know, but they will probably want to join our workshops.
14:28:35 <ivan> q+
14:28:43 <gautierchomel> tzviya: dealing with time zone will not be easy.
14:28:50 <tzviya> CK ivan
14:28:55 <tzviya> ack ivan
14:29:02 <tzviya> s/CK ivan //
14:29:09 <wendyreid> q+
14:29:36 <gautierchomel> ivan: we are the publishing maiontenance working group which is not only epub. What about discussing audiobooks and publication manifest?
14:29:42 <wendyreid> ack wendyreid
14:30:52 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: shared anotations, TTS, TdM, Signing. Any conversation should be format agnostic.
14:31:51 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: in Canada we have a grant for specialised libraries to write a guideline for publishers about commercial audiobooks accessibility.
14:32:15 <tzviya> q+
14:32:20 <wendyreid> s/specialised libraries/NNELS/
14:32:24 <wendyreid> ack tzviya
14:33:31 <ivan> q+
14:33:54 <gautierchomel> tzviya: I'm participating to discussion about workflow identifiers. ISBN are usefull but we may be needing workflow identifiers. It may be interesting to discuss if there are usecases.
14:33:57 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:34:35 <gautierchomel> ivan: with my W3C hat, the charter put's new identifiers out of scope.
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14:35:43 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: a lot of topics now. Some have connections with others WG. Great point with TPAC is that we can meet others groups in join meetings.
14:38:07 <ivan> q+
14:38:14 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:40:18 <AvneeshSingh> q+
14:40:21 <wendyreid> ack AvneeshSingh
14:40:40 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: we have time for more topics
14:41:04 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: we may want to filter so many topics.
14:41:20 <CharlesL> q+
14:41:23 <wendyreid> ack CharlesL
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14:42:22 <gautierchomel> CharlesL: TPAC is a great place for brainstorm / socials too.
14:43:17 <gautierchomel> wendyreid: thanks! Remember the issue : https://github.com/w3c/pm-wg/issues/5
14:43:26 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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